TR Land Vehicle Programs

[Tsenal]

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[Huelague]

Yes, Aselsan's Korhan 35mm turret but this is a older mock up model.

Here is a more up to date version of the Korhan turret, with AKKOR active protection system integrated
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Looks cooler on Tulpar

 

[Nutuk]

These type of APS are good and bad at the same time.

Good as protection of armored vehicles, but bad for our drone fleet

 

[Yasar_TR]

These type of APS are good and bad at the same time.

Good as protection of armored vehicles, but bad for our drone fleet

If you know the ingredients of a poison, you have a chance to create an antidote for it.
Since we know how these APS work, we should also know how to circumvent it. And hence produce anti-tank/anti-armour weapons accordingly.

 

[Defence Industry Enjoyer]

These type of APS are good and bad at the same time.

Good as protection of armored vehicles, but bad for our drone fleet

There is currently no APS system effective against top attacks. Factors such as engagement range, angle of attack, detection, maneuvering.

Free fall munition like MAM. Builds very high kinetic energy with distance along with high angle attack.

Majority of countries cannot afford APS systems.

+ Free fall dummy bombs can be used saturate APS if needed.

 

[Zafer]

angle of attack

Angle of attack means a lot in aviation but it is different from what the uninitiated think.

 

[Ryder]

If Medium Tanks and IFVs can work together along with aps and good armour.

I really think MBT's could slowly go away because they are expensive and vulernable not to mention their size makes them a primr target.

Then again thats my opinion.

Heavy Tanks ended up obsolete because they were expensive, complex also superseded by MBTs that they were no longer viable on the BF.

Heavy tanks were seen more like prestigous oh look we have a big weapon type of argument.

 

[Zafer]

If Medium Tanks and IFVs can work together along with aps and good armour.

I really think MBT's could slowly go away because they are expensive and vulernable not to mention their size makes them a primr target.

Then again thats my opinion.

Heavy Tanks ended up obsolete because they were expensive, complex also superseded by MBTs that they were no longer viable on the BF.

Heavy tanks were seen more like prestigous oh look we have a big weapon type of argument.

Drones (TB2) made many weapon makers lose a lot of sales, including tank makers.

 

[Manomed]

Finally a good tracked IFV Im waiting for PARS wheeled IFV with korhan as well It will be like the stryker.

 

[Defence Industry Enjoyer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526588267403042817

Posting here because rare to see M60A3 footage inside Iraq. It is normally used for perimeter defense not for offensive roles. Appears that there is dedicated cover for the tank.

 

[Nutuk]

Drones will have to use many dummy bombs to eliminate first the APS system before using the real bomb

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526588267403042817

Posting here because rare to see M60A3 footage inside Iraq. It is normally used for perimeter defense not for offensive roles. Appears that there is dedicated cover for the tank.

possibly because she is light enough to travel those hilly landscapes.

Turkey needs light tanks in my opinion, Turkish company build light tanks but the army does not buy (or does not get a funding to buy)

 

[Defence Industry Enjoyer]

Drones will have to use many dummy bombs to eliminate first the APS system before using the real bomb


possibly because she is light enough to travel those hilly landscapes.

Turkey needs light tanks in my opinion, Turkish company build light tanks but the army does not buy (or does not get a funding to buy)

Possible nationalizing of the turret likely signal to interest to light tank.

 

[TheInsider]

Possible nationalizing of the turret likely signal to interest to light tank.

He bitchslapped Germans lol.

 

[Manomed]

Does TSK has any TULPAR vehicles? @TheInsider

I saw some TULPAR-S used by marines in syria.

 

[BordoEnes]

Does TSK has any TULPAR vehicles? @TheInsider

I saw some TULPAR-S used by marines in syria.

The TULPAR-S was not selected so that's not possible. You might have confused it with the Kaplan-10 which it competed against for the ATGM-carrier contract and is in fact in active use in Syria.

 

[TheInsider]

There are no Tulpar or Tulpar-S vehicles in service within the Turkish armed forces.

 

[Anmdt]

Korhan
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Just brainstorming on what Aselsan may offer on top of Korhan turret and get ahead of the other top class turret manufacturers.

Anti-Air / Anti-UAS convoy escorts:
- 35mm airburst smart-munition
- Quad Sungur in place of 2x OMTAS
- Rotating Aura based Aesa radar that has staring mode for tracking, in place of RCWS
- EW & RF Jamming

Anti-UAS:
- 35mm airburst smart munition
- Aura based AESA radar
- DIRCM / Laser weapon to annihilate drones and dazzle missile seekers up to 2-5 km range, in place of RCWS
- Quad-Sungur in place of OMTAS

These kind of IFVs will be discussed more often in near future as highly mobile fleet escorts.

 

[Defence Industry Enjoyer]

Just brainstorming on what Aselsan may offer on top of Korhan turret and get ahead of the other top class turret manufacturers.

Anti-Air / Anti-UAS convoy escorts:
- 35mm airburst smart-munition
- Quad Sungur in place of 2x OMTAS
- Rotating Aura based Aesa radar that has staring mode for tracking, in place of RCWS
- EW & RF Jamming

Anti-UAS:
- 35mm airburst smart munition
- Aura based AESA radar
- DIRCM / Laser weapon to annihilate drones and dazzle missile seekers up to 2-5 km range, in place of RCWS
- Quad-Sungur in place of OMTAS

These kind of IFVs will be discussed more often in near future as highly mobile fleet escorts.

Korkut, ACV-30 Korkut, Gokdeniz, Göker, Göker Naval, Korhan, Korkut C-RAM

Ahead also in terms of scale and infrastructure.

Crew operating to Korkut with ground based fire control system can quickly adapt to ACV Korkut. ACV crew also receives ground engagement training. Eases training and interoperability.

Oerlikon variant also licensed produced by many other countries so guaranteed part supply if any issues occurs during war etc..

I think it is one of the best defense system programs.

 

[Combat-Master]

He bitchslapped Germans lol.

It also pushes forward that German industry may also be influencing German politicians to not export MTU engines for Altay. Germans, know very well that Turkey's armoured vehicles developments have pretty much caught up to theirs and thus they have become dirty players.

Germans were also talking smack about FNSS OTTER.

 

[Defence Industry Enjoyer]

It also pushes forward that German industry may also be influencing German politicians to not export MTU engines for Altay. Germans, know very well that Turkey's armoured vehicles developments have pretty much caught up to theirs and thus they have become dirty players.

Germans were also talking smack about FNSS OTTER.

German armor companies depend on higher end, higher cost systems sales to mainly EU/NATO market. Germans would need to move a alternative country to curb production costs and local export restrictions.

We offer wider range of armored vehicles, varying in classification, quality, cost. Internal demand along with lower costs + export restrictions gives upper hand.

How many Altay customers would there be? It is a modern MBT with high price. Limited amount of countries can afford it that is in our potential customer base. Korea still did not scored MBT export despite having access far more options.

Our majority of export vehicles have alternative powerpacks in case of wider German embargo. I don't think embargoing MBT powerpack does that much for protecting their armor industry. Not to forget, it encouraged to develop our own powerpacks.

I think it is just German government being German government.