Sixth Generation Fighter Aircrafts

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It is a generation ahead if what it can not be retrofitted to the previous version.
Structurally, it sports a tailless design and a highly stealthy airframe, features that weren’t possible in earlier generations. Beyond that, there’s nothing the 6th generation offers that the 5th couldn’t, including variable-cycle engines. Another big plus of tailless design is the altitude edge. With the fuselage made almost entirely from a single-piece delta wing, it produces tremendous lift.
 

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Kaan will be a testing bed for many 6th-gen capabilities, but KAAN won't be a 6th-gen system ever.

These are cross-sections of the B-2 Spirit and the F-35A from the front and side

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There is a reason why real 6th-gen aircraft are without a tail. 6th-gen aircraft require better 360-degree stealth in a wider frequency range (not just the frequency range of the fire control radars) compared to 5th-gen, and this can only be achieved by removing the tail unless someone comes up with a technology that achieves required level of stealth with tails (there is none as of today). With tails, it is especially bad from the sides. Canards also add RCS, but not as much as tails. RCS of canards can also be controlled in real time with software. Eurofighter has that ability. That is why the US F-47 got rid of tails to increase stealth, but trade-off is canards to have that extra agility/maneuverability required from a fighter. China did this with wingtip control surfaces

Advances in aviation enabled tailless designs to have agility/maneuverability that comes close to fighters with tails, even at supersonic speeds. That was not the case in the past. B-2 is basically a subsonic bomber with a limited flight envelope. Tempest won't be a real 6th gen unless it gets rid of its tail.

6th gen also requires next-generation adaptive cycle/variable cycle engines. Those bring increased fuel efficiency and thrust. The American engine basically starts as a turbofan and operates as a turbojet at higher speeds and altitudes. China goes further; the engine that China is developing starts as a turbofan, functions like a turbojet at higher speeds, and operates like a ramjet at even higher speeds and altitudes, which covers 0 to Mach 3+ range. American ACE can probably be applied to existing 5th gen with air inlet modification/redesign (one of the reasons why they are hesitating to install it on F-35) but i doubt the Chinese version can be used on any existing aircraft. Enginewise other projects have nothing that comes close to those 2. Not even a drawing, let alone a prototype.

Any capability other than these 2 can also be deployed on 5th gen aircraft. You can install stronger radars, better EO sensors, high-bandwidth datalinks, and advanced MUM-T functions. You can increase power production, especially if you have a big twin-engine 5th-gen fighter like KAAN. It will be more difficult with F-35, but possible. Fighters like KAAN and Tempest can't be 6th generation in the future. We can call them 6th gen, but unless they match the capabilities of the American and Chinese fighters, this will remain a marketing gimmick.
 

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I’ve come up with an idea you might find amusing—I figured out a way to replicate the vertical stabilizer’s function without relying on air brakes or movable nozzles. This thought struck me while studying the Kızılelma’s fuselage. By operating without air brakes, it can keep its stealth features at their peak.

I am adding an image. When high-pressure air escapes from the engine nozzle, it creates low pressure in the air duct, producing a lateral force. This force can occur even when the aircraft isn’t moving.
 

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Guys, if Europe didn’t brand their future jets as 6th gen, once the next real leap arrived the gap would’ve widened so much that catching up would be nearly impossible. And with the world sliding into deeper chaos, they’d be locked even tighter into U.S. dependency. So they played it smart: instead of naming the train they missed, they named the train that’s still coming.


But by doing that while the actual 6th-gen movers are China and the U.S. they muddied the waters and created the exact confusion we’re arguing about here.


Meanwhile we stayed honest and modest… but guys, the 5th- and 6th-gen labels have been polluted. The boundaries are blurred. To sum up, we’ve been using the terms wrong and it’s time we fix that before it's too late. I can imagine the reviews on YouTube from Arab states etc. Habibi Turks themselves openly says theirs jet is 5th gen so how can you say Kaan's better than Tempest or FCAS etc... LoL I don't want to fix 1000000 guys I want to fix the 1 source!
 

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A tail raises the design challenge, but it does not prevent next-gen stealth, otherwise GCAP & FCAS wouldn't exist in their current forms.

Unfortunately, it does prevent next-gen stealth. It is called physics. Neither the Chinese nor the Americans are stupid. The UK adopts a tailed design because it is what they can do. Tailles designs are well known and simple enough, but making a supersonic Tailles design as agile as today's fighter is complicated, and well above the capability of the UK.

Retrofitting the adaptive cycle to existing platforms is also problematic. You can't retrofit a Chinese next-gen engine because a fighter that maxes @ mach3+ is designed inherently different than a fighter that maxes @ mach2+ they withstand different amounts of aerodynamic forces. The US is also working on turbofan-turbojet-ramjet hybrids, and i wouldn't be surprised if they take into account this when designing F-47.


FCAS-Tempest 6th gen is a marketing gimmick unless those 2 can match true 6th gen fighters.
 

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