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hmmm... me think with meh tiny brain & low IQ so bear with me carefully before you respond (if at all)
In order to determine "colonization" common sense dictate that one first need to determine the subject of the said colonization, which typically a territory along with the indigenous people who live there. That being said, what is the subject of this "colonization" of yours will be
BTW, is there any reason why you yourself is currently seem fine using "kosher" product & service
I was not talking about what the Israelis been doing in the Palestine. I was focusing on your claim that the politicians have been barking loudly about our military procurement from Israel.
I admit I'm not really active in Indonesian social media environment. Heck, I even set the Twitter trending in my account to UK. But even simple quick google search doesn't show this "political elites barking loudly about military procurement from Israel" claim of yours.
Look, military stuff for most people is not really entertaining. Only few people actually interested in this military stuff. All of us members here are the minority bunch. I'm pretty sure that those politicians would prefer to use other Jewish products to "bark loudly" about Israel and leave the military procurement as the least preference. That's why I made a point that the government will find it very easy to play and muddle the narrative if they start to bark about our military procurement from Israel.
That wont happen soon enough. Our former President Gus Dur Alm. try it, he wanted to open kind of consulate just to focus on the trade/economic area. Too bad he steped down before it happened. I personally agree with him in this case, no Embassy just some representative office to conduct trade.
Those anti Israeli statements by some politician is just for domestic consumption aka to gain support just like you and others have said. The reality in todays Indonesian politics the major political power beside political party is Organisasi keagamaan, TNI & Polri. All of them have huge political influence and TNI/Polri is officially & legally armed to the teeth. Who dare to blatanly open the defense product acquisition from Israel where it is use solely to defend the nation? And how many ex military generals are now currently hold office in govt body? They are some arguments among them but their jiwa korsa will kick in when their former Institution being verbally/politically attacked, and most of them would be united to challenge it. (salh stu sebab sshnya beresin procurement mreka
TNI/Polri will always play their part as the "balancer" in Indonesian political ground, just like they do since the beginning of kemerdekaan. Altho their role is different now but still Indonesian people oftenly look to some military General figure when they are looking for "Strong" leadership. Why? Its in our blood to accept Good feodalism, its in our long history of Kerajaan followed by long lasting of Dutch occupation, The demokrasi terpimpin on Soekarno era and Soeharto. Like it or not its in our "culture".
So yeah, all those politician can say anything they want about Israeli product to public but to bring that word openly right infront the Govt/TNI/Polri is a political suicide. That is why only few issues emerged "officially" regarding this, even mbah google having a hard time finding it
According to your habib you mean
Anyway, you mention two terms that are key points here, they are ;
So who or what are the Palestinian you were referring to
- indigenous =belonging to a particular place rather than coming to it from somewhere else (Oxford Learners Dictionaries)
- colonization = the act of taking control of an area or a country that is not your own, especially using force, and sending people from your own country to live there (Oxford Learners Dictionaries)
Anyway, let's examine a few things beforehand, shall we.
- Before the creation of PLO (by at the time the KGB if I'm not mistaken) what we're now referring as Palestinian were referring themselves as Arab which is basically saying that they are a part of the Greater Arab Nation (whatever that was).
- Prior to the creation of PLO there was never any claim whatsoever from Arab leadership to claim the region as their own
- 19th century travel account had indicate that what we have now known as Palestine is a wasteland only inhabit by small number of poor Jews settlement with far fewer equally poor Arab, along with the occasional Bedouins marauder.
- Not until the wave of returning Jews in late 19th - early 20th century does the region began to thrive, with the Jews rebuilding everything, and the Arabs came there to seek jobs & business.
And yet here thy are
Who colonizing who
And yet here thy are
Relatable is something that happen in your state of mind
And yet here thy are
Finally, mentioning something about the law (not sure which though)
There are 3 prerequisites for a sovereign nation :
That being said, who is now having the more of it
- Territory (This requires more than a hollow claim, but also both the presence & ability to enforce policy)
- People.
- Recognition by previously recognize nation state
Well, this already a gross detraction to the thread topic, but I was willing to entertain you for a short while for the benefit of others before I put you in my ignore list along with your other account (I did say for you to be very careful before responding, didn't I)
BTW If I were you, I would wait for at least a month or so before creating another account in this forum
