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Germans are only acting like that because of Turkey's mistake to buy Russian tech. I mean seriously, who cares if the US didn't offer joint production or ToT with the Patriot. In the next 5-10 years Turkey would have produced its own indigenous systems to not really on partners for these 'crictical technologies'. Russian co-operation may result in slight benefit in the short term, but ultimately, its not worth losing credibility/support from Europe, let alone from the USA.

In Russia's eyes theres nothing to lose with providing such technological co-operation. But there's certainly significant gains. Its like the Sino-Soviet nuclear co-operation dilemma. Russia simply helped China build nuclear weapons/have access to Russia because they could use this as leverage against them. e.g. stalling or even shutting down operations in order to prolong China from 1) having access to such technologies 2) Prevent the inevitable, China pursuing its own independent path to nuclear proliferation - which, obviously, the Soviets would not be able to control.

In the same way, by Russia "helping" Turkey now, of course Turkey may have access to infrastructure e.g. space ports, but this would mean that 1) Turkey becomes dependent on Russia for such technologies 2) Russian can use this as leverage to hinder Turkish (independent) advancements 3) Russia can use this situation to 'monitor' its regional rival.


Germans are the one who are not stopping to buy gas from Russians, even with pressure from Americans. So why would they make a problem about S400?

Ther problem is EEZ dispute between Greece. Greece crying about Turkey😢.
 

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Germans are the one who are not stopping to buy gas from Russians, even with pressure from Americans. So why would they make a problem about S400?

Ther problem is EEZ dispute between Greece. Greece crying about Turkey😢.
Basically it’s related to how well of you are, the countries CM mentioned are all better off than Turkey one way or another. And they are most certainly not head butting Russia at every corner. Just recall how people were quick to mention Italy not being trust worthy in Libya. Still hasn’t changed, but they’re not ever doing things alone. In short Italy makes business.

Turkey not so much because ummah takes priority. Besides it’s going to be a goading game and the west will wait for RTE to make more mistakes and slowly shut the faucet to a trickle.
 

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Basically it’s related to how well of you are, the countries CM mentioned are all better off than Turkey one way or another. And they are most certainly not head butting Russia at every corner. Just recall how people were quick to mention Italy not being trust worthy in Libya. Still hasn’t changed, but they’re not ever doing things alone. In short Italy makes business.

Turkey not so much because ummah takes priority. Besides it’s going to be a goading game and the west will wait for RTE to make more mistakes and slowly shut the faucet to a trickle.
Sadly, Turkey cant make business in such matters
Many seem to criticise Turkey's actions but for me you can never compare current or past Turkey with Italy, Spain, France, or UK. Such countries have completely independent militaries and can strike hard when it matters
Italy doesnt even care if a dictator rules Libya or not. In fact, for Italy, France and other Western countries, A dictator as well as a clown like Haftar would be prefered as he would be easy to control, monopolise, and steal oil from. I mean why would France support Haftar if not for this. Any country that France supports turns out to be a big bank for France's economy from Egypt to Greece etc...
Turkey is in a clusterfq! It is faced against the richest rotten gulf nations who are allied with nations advanced technologically
In fact, I for once thought that "what if" Turkey supported gulf monarchies in the beginning rather than opposing them; sadly, I reached the same conclusion of them being enemies as gulf nations would obviously betray Turkey for France as France is more important politicaly, technologically, militarily, and have the same rotten mentality as the gulf monarchies which means that the possibility of comflict between them is minimal

IMO, this is fate! A massive test for Turkey! Nationalisation kf hard power is the only choice and above all sanctions that drive Turkey to nationalisation is a good boost in the long term
 

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Sadly, Turkey cant make business in such matters
Many seem to criticise Turkey's actions but for me you can never compare current or past Turkey with Italy, Spain, France, or UK. Such countries have completely independent militaries and can strike hard when it matters
Italy doesnt even care if a dictator rules Libya or not. In fact, for Italy, France and other Western countries, A dictator as well as a clown like Haftar would be prefered as he would be easy to control, monopolise, and steal oil from. I mean why would France support Haftar if not for this. Any country that France supports turns out to be a big bank for France's economy from Egypt to Greece etc...
Turkey is in a clusterfq! It is faced against the richest rotten gulf nations who are allied with nations advanced technologically
In fact, I for once thought that "what if" Turkey supported gulf monarchies in the beginning rather than opposing them; sadly, I reached the same conclusion of them being enemies as gulf nations would obviously betray Turkey for France as France is more important politicaly, technologically, militarily, and have the same rotten mentality as the gulf monarchies which means that the possibility of comflict between them is minimal

IMO, this is fate! A massive test for Turkey! Nationalisation kf hard power is the only choice and above all sanctions that drive Turkey to nationalisation is a good boost in the long term
Moderate islamic politicians can't make politics that way. Because they're more occupied with their standing in the eyes of ummah than their national gains.

Mavi Vatan is in more danger in the hands of incompetent politicians than TSK.

As you may know politicians didn't even know or think of Mavi Vatan until TN made it pop up in the agenda.

Milgem is here but we still lack proper domestic propulsion system and to actually use them.

With proper governance and solid politics we could have gotten better cooperation with UK, but unfortunately things hit a roadblock called Qatar
 

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Interestingly, TEI has removed TEI-PG30 and TEI-PG40 2-Stroke Gasoline Aviation Engines from their website. Leaving only TEI-PG50 and TEI-PG50S.

TEI-PG50 is I believe being developed for Unammned Aircraft while TEI-PG50S is being developed for manned ultralight aircraft?

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Quick Comparison between Engines.


CAT C13 Defence EngineBMC Power AZRA Engine
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6 Cylinder Inline6 Cylinder Inline
12.5 L Displacement12.8 L Displacement
(600-711 HP) Power(585-615 HP) Power
2386-2700 Nm Torque2500-3000 Nm Torque
Bore 130 mm
Stroke 157 mm
Bore 128 mm
Stroke 166 mm
 

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Quick Comparison between Engines.


CAT C13 Defence EngineBMC Power AZRA Engine
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6 Cylinder Inline6 Cylinder Inline
12.5 L Displacement12.8 L Displacement
(600-711 HP) Power(585-615 HP) Power
2386-2700 Nm Torque2500-3000 Nm Torque
Bore 130 mm
Stroke 157 mm
Bore 128 mm
Stroke 166 mm

Weight? Not an expert on engines? Is BMC's generally better?
 

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Weight? Not an expert on engines? Is BMC's generally better?

Not really an Expert.

CAT C13 weighs ca 1100kg.



There isn't too many Information about BMC Powers Engines but they seem indeed similar.

BMC Power has also many people from MTU Friedrichshafen and Mercedes Benz.
> MTU takes Mercedes Benz Engines and modifies them.

and even here the Engines seem quite similar.

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Interestingly, TEI has removed TEI-PG30 and TEI-PG40 2-Stroke Gasoline Aviation Engines from their website. Leaving only TEI-PG50 and TEI-PG50S.

TEI-PG50 is I believe being developed for Unammned Aircraft while TEI-PG50S is being developed for manned ultralight aircraft?




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The lesser engines had the same structure but were rated with far less power, It didn't make sense.
TEI-PG50S has the perfect power level for a single place helicopter like the Mosquito Air. Would be fantastic to have a chance to try it out.

 
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Quick Comparison between Engines.


CAT C13 Defence EngineBMC Power AZRA Engine
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6 Cylinder Inline6 Cylinder Inline
12.5 L Displacement12.8 L Displacement
(600-711 HP) Power(585-615 HP) Power
2386-2700 Nm Torque2500-3000 Nm Torque
Bore 130 mm
Stroke 157 mm
Bore 128 mm
Stroke 166 mm

How The Engines look in their Respective Powerpacks.

C13 Power pack used in all Turkish 8x8 IFVs versus The BMC Power AZRA Power pack. Both are paired with Allison 4000 Series Transmissions.

ARMA II and ALTUG

( You can see the Yellow part of the CAT C13 and the Blue of the BMC Power Engines Respectively )

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How The Engines look in their Respective Powerpacks.

C13 Power pack used in all Turkish 8x8 IFVs versus The BMC Power AZRA Power pack. Both are paired with Allison 4000 Series Transmissions.

ARMA II and ALTUG

( You can see the Yellow part of the CAT C13 and the Blue of the BMC Power Engines Respectively )

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Azra powerpack looks more compact and streamlined, even though it's still in the development/testing phase. Looks promising!
 

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TEI-TJ90 - Combustion chamber is additively manufactured and completed tests in 2017
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Conventionally, the combustion chamber would have consisted of 9 parts.
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Outstanding engineering achievement that opened up to the world from Eskişehir… After the Ecotorq engine and rear axle, now Turkey's first and only domestic transmission was designed, developed and produced by Ford Otosan; #BizdenBirParça "Ecotorq Gearbox". #FordTrucks #EveryLoadTogether
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This looks like a ready product, probably completed its tests. Now Ford Otosan vehicles will have %90 Turkish national components.
 

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150 KTJ-3200 turbojet engine will be delivered in 2022. If requested Kale can easily double that amount.
Prototype production of improved KTJ-3200 is nearing completion. It will have similar dimensions compared to KTJ-3200, it will produce more thrust and will consume less fuel. The first tests on the prototype will start soon.
There are several other turbojet engine projects. I guess one engine for Roketsan middle range anti-ship missile and one engine for Kuzgun-TJ.
 

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