TR Turkish Air Forces|News & Discussion

Agreed. The US would NEVER give us the F35 even if we bought the Patriots or rejected the S400.

They just used our money and industry and time. Israel has got the F35 for free. They wont let another country in the region (especially not Turkey) get the F35 to balance Israel.

TheInsider said:

Block 30s,40s, and oldest 50s will undergo Ozgur mod in that order. Only 30 years old or older fighters can get Ozgur mod(lawfully) due to deals signed under F-16 programs. I have confirmed this.

Click to expand...

In view of the above statement, one can see which planes will be eligible for “Ozgur” modernisation with Aselsan Aesa radars.
Block 30s definitely are. But also all of the block 40 planes will be eligible gradually by 2025. Peace Onyx 2 block 50 planes will become eligible by 2027.

Ravenman said:

Agreed. The US would NEVER give us the F35 even if we bought the Patriots or rejected the S400.

They just used our money and industry and time. Israel has got the F35 for free. They wont let another country in the region (especially not Turkey) get the F35 to balance Israel.

Click to expand...

Israel does not need the F35 to balance Turkey. F-35I Adir is not same F-35

Jacop said:

Israel does not need the F35 to balance Turkey. F-35I Adir is not same F-35

Click to expand...

A few of the members here have a peculiar obsession with Israel as the secret master of everything in the Middle-East and the master of the US.

Jewish lobby in the US is against Turkey. It is a fact and in our pocket. However, I think in the Middle East, Turkey is not the primary issue for Israel. They have their own serious problems to cope with.

On the other hand, the total exlusion of Turkey doesn't serve to anybody in the region. (Israel, Greece etc.) New balistic and cruise missile storage country such as Iran is not a good thing for them. I hope they will balance properly.

Action and reaction rule. It is so clear. If they continue to sweep down on Turkey, sooner or later we have to use the easiest, cheapest and fastest way for us like Iran.

Yasar said:

Can’t Biden veto decision of congress to make the sale? (Congress and senate then has to find 2/3rd majority to overturn the veto)

Click to expand...

Yes, he can but congress then can find a 2/3rd majority which will be bad for Biden. Issues regarding Turkiye enjoy bipartisan support. The US government is planning to release F-35 to Greece simultaneously with the Turkish F-16 deal to counter that possibility. Greece will get F-35s starting from 2025-27. Biden will defend the Turkish F-16 decision by telling Israel and Greece has F-35s Turkish F-16s are not a threat to anyone.

ı searched open sources about özgür project that we have codes only for mission computer of block 30 but not flight ones,and USA did not give new moduler mission computer,so özgür project have limitations unless we get new or our own mission moduler computer,until than we can not put aesa radar on it

yusuf said:

ı searched open sources about özgür project that we have codes only for mission computer of block 30 but not flight ones,and USA did not give new moduler mission computer,so özgür project have limitations unless we get new or our own mission moduler computer,until than we can not put aesa radar on it

Click to expand...

If I am not mistaken, it is not the matter of US giving us codes for the planes. The matter is being able to do what you like with it without having any repercussions from LM or US, whereby we are infringing upon their IP rights or invalidating warranty conditions or breaking contractual rules.

Jacop said:

Israel does not need the F35 to balance Turkey. F-35I Adir is not same F-35

Click to expand...

Could you post the differences in a new thread so we'd also know?

Yasar said:

If I am not mistaken, it is not the matter of US giving us codes for the planes. The matter is being able to do what you like with it without having any repercussions from LM or US, whereby we are infringing upon their IP rights or invalidating warranty conditions or breaking contractual rules.

Click to expand...

True. We can do anything if we don't care about the contracts/terms etc. Codes are important when you want to integrate your own weapons. There are also workarounds for that(like you can integrate Gökdoğan as AMRAAM or HGK as JDAM computer thinks like it is launching a JDAM) but we are past that point. We have our own mission computer, complete national avionics suite, and soon our own radar.


Greece and the US are gearing to sign a defense cooperation deal. Greece will give more bases to the US. US will underline the importance of the Greek territorial integrity and the willingness to supply F-35s when the time comes, probably close to the end of the Greek viper mod.

According to Turkish authorities, Biden and his administration is looking at the F16 V70 request of Turkey, favourably.
But the Congress is another story! It may prove to be a very tough nut to crack.

For those who want to watch our esteemed member @HAKAN KILIÇ 's broadcast about the f 16 viper

Test7 said:

For those who want to watch our esteemed member @HAKAN KILIÇ 's broadcast about the f 16 viper

Click to expand...

still dreaming about F35...

Oublious said:

still dreaming about F35...

Click to expand...

No offense.
You can split PEOPLE mainly to two kind.
First kind of people
They -> Dream-> Plan you time steps/stages how many days,months,years to ACHIVE the GOAL->
Start
By study -> build knowlage->
start to DO things by lot of working time to build product/s->
get feedback from others about own build products->
make profit ->
ADAPT you MUST willing to make CHANGEs ( Mean that you must do small steps of changes to adapt new needs)->
Risk to FAIL is high and it is Natural and The best teacher-> DO not loss you Dream because YOU FAIL-> Because you do not understood and miss some steps ->
Be AWARE and Reasonable about surronding
Repeat above

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Second kind of people
They have Dreams too but thier Dream is about what OTHER person have, so this kind of people WANT IT
-> They follow simple rule Do everthing need it to Have that THING
-> They are Most curious people always want to be every where see,touch,steal,sell 10 fold, make money or make others to pay to get Dream which they saw
-> They don't driven by normal,right things-> they are driven from others if others have something they WANT IT.
This people are NAIVE, Brutal,jelous, and very good of destroying
Repeat above

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Why I did write this?
Some people loss themself -> beacuse only they talk but does not stop and listen and think
This making them to forget what happend (history) and it is present situation-> BUT Dream for Toy of other
This is not possible UNLESS PAY 10 fold (I am not talking about only for money but also in short you soll -> things which you will have to loss)
So HAKAN KILIÇ I saw his videos about Military platform and posibility how,when,where they can be used. He have respect about knowlage he build.
I am trying to say that by expecting F35 he is naive. All because it is new toy of second kind of people. Toy which is stepback for Turkiye Military system
Turkiye is not the Turkiye of 20 years ago. I don't understand Why he does not see this!?

Anastasius said:

A few of the members here have a peculiar obsession with Israel as the secret master of everything in the Middle-East and the master of the US.

Click to expand...

Everyone who thinks that the US is above Israel, is a moron.

There are people with Israeli passports in every US administration since 1946. But there are no people with American passports in Israeli administrations.

Ravenman said:

Everyone who thinks that the US is above Israel, is a moron.

There are people with Israeli passports in every US administration since 1946. But there are no people with American passports in Israeli administrations.

Click to expand...

More red pills:

Main reason they decided to get rid of Trump because he started talking about double passport holders , from that point entire mainstream media start atacking him then to protect himself Trump gone and became champion of white conservaties.That move caused them to abondon white conservatives completly(up until point white conservaties were their main voter base) and switch to liberalism/BLM/Feminism side.

Ravenman said:

Everyone who thinks that the US is above Israel, is a moron.

There are people with Israeli passports in every US administration since 1946. But there are no people with American passports in Israeli administrations.

Click to expand...

US allows for dual-citizenship for government officials. Israel doesn't. There is a fair bit of people who are high-up in Israeli politics that were born in and lived as Americans before coming to Israel. Difference is, they had to ditch their American citizenship to get those positions.

Israel isn't even the only country to have that kind of relationship with the US. You're basically regurgitating 4chan memes.

Anastasius said:

US allows for dual-citizenship for government officials. Israel doesn't. There is a fair bit of people who are high-up in Israeli politics that were born in and lived as Americans before coming to Israel. Difference is, they had to ditch their American citizenship to get those positions.

Israel isn't even the only country to have that kind of relationship with the US. You're basically regurgitating 4chan memes.

Click to expand...

You didnt understand my post, sorry.

is there any one who remember that F-35 will be given to turkey on earlier production but our officals post poned it and when israel get it we lost opportunity,thats our bad behavior get execellent one delaying is not important,.