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......
will we pay or will we leaf.
Dedication, dedication
Dragon outnumber us 20 to one.
And the battle begin.

Then the F 15 EX arrive.
......

If i may ask, did someone know where the money for delayed payment come from ? I think it wasnt foreign loan tho.

Foreign loan, some South Korean bank is very willing to handle the work. Imagine, South Korean projects, part of it financed by Indonesian tax payer money using South Korean lender scheme, utilizing South Korean Defense industry, hiring mostly South Korean engineer and researcher. From loan interest to most results of the work would end up in South Korean hands....
 

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will we pay or will we leaf.
Dedication, dedication
Dragon outnumber us 20 to one.
And the battle begin.

Then the F 15 EX arrive.
......

If i may ask, did someone know where the money for delayed payment come from ? I think it wasnt foreign loan tho.

The funding proposed to Minister of Finance regarding to KF21/IFX is not only for payment, but infrastructure in Indonesian Aerospace for IFX production and assembling facility, and also separate R&D program run by Indonesian only to catch up with fighter technology.
 
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Foreign loan, some South Korean bank is very willing to handle the work. Imagine, South Korean projects, part of it financed by Indonesian tax payer money using South Korean lender scheme, utilizing South Korean Defense industry, hiring mostly South Korean engineer and researcher. From loan interest to most results of the work would end up in South Korean hands....
Lemme guess, same scheme with 🇹🇷 isn't it ?

And whe the stuff get home, 🇮🇩 will slap it with "KARYA ANAK " sticker.

The funding proposed to Minister of Finance regarding to KF21/IFX is not only for payment, but infrastructure in Indonesian Aerospace for IFX production and assembling facility, and also separate R&D program run by Indonesian only to catch up with fighter technology.

Glad to hear that, but there's not yet press release 'bout how much money will be allocated.
 
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Glad to hear that, but there's not yet press release 'bout how much money will be allocated.

I dont know whether the budget proposal will be approved or not by the economic team, I only know budget proposal has been send and that is the detail of the composition where the fund will go. Despite that, of course I will not reveal something that should not be revealed in public.

I am just stating that we are serious to develop jet fighter technology and we have the capability to do R&D by ourselves in this fighter development program to reach more independency in this fighter technology.

That Korean DAPA said in Korean parliament and quoted by Yonhap by November that the renegotiation will (inshaAllah) be completed. We hope that is the case, but for sure it is not only related to payment, but also some renegotiation in relation to technology.

More over, Sri Mulyani has mind set in term of government spending that the spending should be productive, it means it should bring effect into local economy and industry. She also said in media that in order to reach fourth biggest nominal GDP in the world in 2045, we need to put more resources on technology development as well. This program fit with that mindset and I hope the renegotiation will be concluded in next November in which Indonesia will keep staying at the program, inshaAllah.
 

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Lemme guess, same scheme with 🇹🇷 isn't it ?

And whe the stuff get home, 🇮🇩 will slap it with "KARYA ANAK BABI" sticker.



Glad to hear that, but there's not yet press release 'bout how much money will be allocated.

That's haram, the scheme would be same. Sound safe enough ain't?

Cutting skill nowadays is very expensive, especially when one trying to make it an emboss or glossy enough
 

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Lemme guess, same scheme with 🇹🇷 isn't it ?

And whe the stuff get home, 🇮🇩 will slap it with "KARYA ANAK BABI" sticker.



Glad to hear that, but there's not yet press release 'bout how much money will be allocated.
That's haram, the scheme would be same. Sound safe enough ain't?

Cutting skill nowadays is very expensive, especially when one trying to make it an emboss or glossy enough
Our IFX will just gonna be like KF21 then?
No probe refueling system and no bigger drop tank.
 

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What would you think they end up look like?
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This...?
After A400m, I hope we (Indonesia side) develope probe system for IFX.
 

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in order to reach fourth biggest nominal GDP in the world in 2045, we need to put more resources on technology development as well.
It will take a lot of fundamental changes within the next 10 years to be able to achieve that.

Let's start from the most obvious first: R&D funding. As I've stated several times in this forum, our R&D budget is pathetically low even compared to some, if not most, of ASEAN countries. It goes without saying that this needs to be increased and to be given higher priority, of which the latter is also related to:

Changing "common" Indonesian mindset about R&D or, in other words, shifting perception from prioritizing instant results or short-term profits into strategic and long-term investments. This should also be done in parallel with a serious attempt to reduce overly jingoistic mentality which is still common here.

(I mean, for example, it's good and all that PTDI can design and build N-219 based on C-212, or that PINDAD with a lot of assistance from FNSS can produce Harimau tank - among some other "achievements" of our defense SoEs - but these facts should always be brought forward for the public to be able to see what those "achievements" really are.)

Next, we need a lot more of quality researchers and engineers especially the ones who are highly resourceful and creative, able to think "out of the box" while still disciplined enough to always create documentation of what they're doing. Granted, we already have a number of people with these qualities, but their potential is often stunted by the corporate culture where they're working - the worst offenders are most likely state-owned ones.

Last but not least, arguably also as one of the most important, is to give a lot more "breathing room" for our private companies so they can expand and innovate which eventually will give them an edge, a fighting chance to compete even against well-established foreign companies. It's even more important in the defense sector since our local private defense companies are still basically "tied" with our defense SoEs. So instead of functioning only as part suppliers for our SoEs as their "lead integrator", let our private defense companies grow and prove their worth themselves. In a nutshell, to give an illustration of a successful company, we should adopt a more SpaceX-like approach rathen than NASA in R&D.

Easier said and done, of course, since many won't like this because it will be more difficult for them to have their say and share.

Now to get back on topic at hand:
This...?
After A400m, I hope we (Indonesia side) develope probe system for IFX.

From a technical standpoint, I personally prefer that we only have probe system: It's simpler, can refuel two to three aircraft at once, and it's not overly difficult to convert existing civilian airliner to one should the need arise.

As for our F-16, we probably can modify our existing F-16 fleet with conformal fuel tank complete with probe refueling mechanism. It gets tricky if we really serious about F-15EX though. In theory, Boeing may be able to modify ours so they, too, can do the same. However, it will mean that we'll have to buy a lot of them - something that I don't think will happen for the foreseeable future.
 

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Can our KC130B refuel NATO standard jet without additional modification? Does Russian and Nato jet use same refueling probe standards?
 

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So far there is also ramp up in Italian language course, English, Germany, Spain and Turkish language course within MoD
 

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We already have plenty of weebs here haven't we? Of course, that doesn't mean that most of them are fluent in Japanese, of course. 😋
Nihongo is easy lah, there is tonnes of wibu in Indonesia and i believe some of the current army, air force or Navy younger generation soldier is living their childhood life while transformed into verified Wibu!!!
 

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Nihongo is easy lah, there is tonnes of wibu in Indonesia and i believe some of the current army, air force or Navy younger generation soldier is living their childhood life while transformed into verified Wibu!!!
That's okay, I guess. Unless those young officers forgot that most Japanese adults don't see weebs as something positive.

We're screwed if our officers there suddenly ask their Japanese counterpart that they want to learn how to operate a Gundam.
 
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