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yusuf said:

is there any one who remember that F-35 will be given to turkey on earlier production but our officals post poned it and when israel get it we lost opportunity,thats our bad behavior get execellent one delaying is not important,.

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Why was it postponed?

yusuf said:

is there any one who remember that F-35 will be given to turkey on earlier production but our officals post poned it and when israel get it we lost opportunity,thats our bad behavior get execellent one delaying is not important,.

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the first blocks had and have still problems, before it was operational they will need to be upgraded. So before it was operational you have to turn it to block 2 or 3 was it. And using our own weapons will be afther 2025, after they fixed ther own problems.

TheInsider said:

True. We can do anything if we don't care about the contracts/terms etc. Codes are important when you want to integrate your own weapons. There are also workarounds for that(like you can integrate Gökdoğan as AMRAAM or HGK as JDAM computer thinks like it is launching a JDAM) but we are past that point. We have our own mission computer, complete national avionics suite, and soon our own radar.


Greece and the US are gearing to sign a defense cooperation deal. Greece will give more bases to the US. US will underline the importance of the Greek territorial integrity and the willingness to supply F-35s when the time comes, probably close to the end of the Greek viper mod.

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TurAf was testing gökdoğan and others munitions with Block 50+

Better late than never, I Guess...

Turkish officials argue that Washington’s decision to kick Turkey out of the F-35 program in 2019 put them in a bind. The modernization project run for Turkey’s fleet of 35 F-16 Block 30s aims to update and extend the lives of the warplanes, but officials believe it isn’t enough.

“We need a stopgap option until TFX, our indigenously produced fifth generation fighter jet in late 2020s comes out,” one Turkish official told Breaking Defense. “Otherwise, not only Turkey’s but NATO’s security in the region will be at risk.”

“This isn’t only about Turkey. It is also about NATO’s capabilities,” the official added.

Two people familiar with the issue told Breaking Defense that the Turkish Defense Ministry, as well as the state procurement agency, have drafted technical reports to analyze the Russian warplanes. Both reports found the Russian warplanes technically insufficient and extremely costly due to Ankara’s need for the adaptation to the Russian systems.

It isn’t clear how many warplanes Turkey may purchase from Russia if it went ahead, but based on previous statements, Ankara would likely look to acquire around 35 units of Su-35 which is seen as an equivalent of F-16s, or a smaller number of fifth generation Su-57s.

Turkey's Fighter Flirtation With Russia: Is it Serious? - Breaking Defense

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has already requested a series of F-16 upgrades from the US, but may be using Russia for political leverage.

breakingdefense.com

Stuka said:

Better late than never, I Guess...

Turkish officials argue that Washington’s decision to kick Turkey out of the F-35 program in 2019 put them in a bind. The modernization project run for Turkey’s fleet of 35 F-16 Block 30s aims to update and extend the lives of the warplanes, but officials believe it isn’t enough.

“We need a stopgap option until TFX, our indigenously produced fifth generation fighter jet in late 2020s comes out,” one Turkish official told Breaking Defense. “Otherwise, not only Turkey’s but NATO’s security in the region will be at risk.”

“This isn’t only about Turkey. It is also about NATO’s capabilities,” the official added.

Two people familiar with the issue told Breaking Defense that the Turkish Defense Ministry, as well as the state procurement agency, have drafted technical reports to analyze the Russian warplanes. Both reports found the Russian warplanes technically insufficient and extremely costly due to Ankara’s need for the adaptation to the Russian systems.

It isn’t clear how many warplanes Turkey may purchase from Russia if it went ahead, but based on previous statements, Ankara would likely look to acquire around 35 units of Su-35 which is seen as an equivalent of F-16s, or a smaller number of fifth generation Su-57s.

Turkey's Fighter Flirtation With Russia: Is it Serious? - Breaking Defense

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has already requested a series of F-16 upgrades from the US, but may be using Russia for political leverage.

breakingdefense.com

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SU series are one of the most worst jets ever made they might look cool but during combat they are sh*t

Manomed said:

SU series are one of the most worst jets ever made they might look cool but during combat they are sh*t

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Before making such bold claims you need to have proof to support those claims. So can you please elaborate as to why you think the Su35 or Su57 are no good or “rubbish” as you put it, with solid evidence to support?

Stuka said:

Better late than never, I Guess...

Turkish officials argue that Washington’s decision to kick Turkey out of the F-35 program in 2019 put them in a bind. The modernization project run for Turkey’s fleet of 35 F-16 Block 30s aims to update and extend the lives of the warplanes, but officials believe it isn’t enough.

“We need a stopgap option until TFX, our indigenously produced fifth generation fighter jet in late 2020s comes out,” one Turkish official told Breaking Defense. “Otherwise, not only Turkey’s but NATO’s security in the region will be at risk.”

“This isn’t only about Turkey. It is also about NATO’s capabilities,” the official added.

Two people familiar with the issue told Breaking Defense that the Turkish Defense Ministry, as well as the state procurement agency, have drafted technical reports to analyze the Russian warplanes. Both reports found the Russian warplanes technically insufficient and extremely costly due to Ankara’s need for the adaptation to the Russian systems.

It isn’t clear how many warplanes Turkey may purchase from Russia if it went ahead, but based on previous statements, Ankara would likely look to acquire around 35 units of Su-35 which is seen as an equivalent of F-16s, or a smaller number of fifth generation Su-57s.

Turkey's Fighter Flirtation With Russia: Is it Serious? - Breaking Defense

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has already requested a series of F-16 upgrades from the US, but may be using Russia for political leverage.

breakingdefense.com

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We all know Su57 project has been plagued with problems all along. I guess no one else but the Indian members would know better why India had to pull out of the partnership with Su57.
But since that day the Russians have been improving the plane, mainly it’s engine. They have been trying to introduce to the new engine, single crystal turbine technology as well as a variable by-pass tech. We will see if they have been successful in the next couple of years at the latest.
Su35, however has been a major improvement on their Su27 basic aircraft that dates back to mid 1970’s. Both engine wise and weapon wise, as well as structurally with composite materials and latest radar systems the plane has been improved immensely.
Egypt, Indonesia, China have all ordered these planes for their airforce.
But for a country like Turkey it is a technical and logistical nightmare to tackle should we opt to buy any of these two planes. It should be the last solution case.
Well explained in above article!

Yasar said:

Before making such bold claims you need to have proof to support those claims. So can you please elaborate as to why you think the Su35 or Su57 are no good or “rubbish” as you put it, with solid evidence to support?

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Because its russian tech and people are quick to dismiss it.

I find it immature. Every tech has its pros and cons.

We should never understimate tech even if it comes from primitive tribes. Underestimating your enemies and rivals is not a good thing.

yusuf said:

is there any one who remember that F-35 will be given to turkey on earlier production but our officals post poned it and when israel get it we lost opportunity,thats our bad behavior get execellent one delaying is not important,.

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No one wants an immature product, Israel got early because they can modify the plane.

Zafer said:

No one wants an immature product, Israel got early because they can modify the plane.

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US accepted that immature ones,if we would we had opportunity to get and analyse it and I think one of the reason the west applies amborgo to our country is this,for example we had DM2A4 torpedo and we worked on it and succeded with hızır anti torpedo system,we can make similar things on amraam,harpoon vs,,but we cant do that on french system so one of the reason 5hat greece choose for

yusuf said:

US accepted that immature ones,if we would we had opportunity to get and analyse it and I think one of the reason the west applies amborgo to our country is this,for example we had DM2A4 torpedo and we worked on it and succeded with hızır anti torpedo system,we can make similar things on amraam,harpoon vs,,but we cant do that on french system so one of the reason 5hat greece choose for

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US is the maker, they can update the immature plane but we can't. We can only accept an immature plane if we are the maker.

Stuka said:

Better late than never, I Guess...

Turkish officials argue that Washington’s decision to kick Turkey out of the F-35 program in 2019 put them in a bind. The modernization project run for Turkey’s fleet of 35 F-16 Block 30s aims to update and extend the lives of the warplanes, but officials believe it isn’t enough.

“We need a stopgap option until TFX, our indigenously produced fifth generation fighter jet in late 2020s comes out,” one Turkish official told Breaking Defense. “Otherwise, not only Turkey’s but NATO’s security in the region will be at risk.”

“This isn’t only about Turkey. It is also about NATO’s capabilities,” the official added.

Two people familiar with the issue told Breaking Defense that the Turkish Defense Ministry, as well as the state procurement agency, have drafted technical reports to analyze the Russian warplanes. Both reports found the Russian warplanes technically insufficient and extremely costly due to Ankara’s need for the adaptation to the Russian systems.

It isn’t clear how many warplanes Turkey may purchase from Russia if it went ahead, but based on previous statements, Ankara would likely look to acquire around 35 units of Su-35 which is seen as an equivalent of F-16s, or a smaller number of fifth generation Su-57s.

Turkey's Fighter Flirtation With Russia: Is it Serious? - Breaking Defense

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has already requested a series of F-16 upgrades from the US, but may be using Russia for political leverage.

breakingdefense.com

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This wasn't what I imagined though.

BREAKING: Unconfirmed reports that Ankara has ordered 50 x SU-25 Close Air Support Jets from Georgia’s Tbilisi Aircraft Manufacturing group. The Georgian Su-25’s will be built to NATO standards using Turkish subsystems & precision strike weapons.

Turkey is looking for a low cost platform similar to the US A-10 Warthog. The Turkish Su-25 will use Turkish anti-tank missiles. They will be split between bases at Turkish Thrace & Eastern Turkey.


Is this Guy even reliable or does Georgia have Capacities to Produce that Jet.

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TAI visit in Georgia's Plant on 22nd October.


The Georgian authorities are counting on the development of military aviation... Reportedly, for this, the stake is placed on "allies" from NATO, first of all - on "Turkey belonging to the region."

The Georgian Defense Ministry informs that it is discussing with its Turkish counterparts the issues of deepening cooperation in the military-technical sphere. First of all, we are talking about the development of military aviation. In particular, Georgia "continues to implement the transition to NATO standards, including NATO standards in terms of providing military equipment."

Negotiations are taking place in Georgia. The capital of this republic was visited by a Turkish delegation headed by the Director General of the Turkish Aerospace Company.

Representatives of the Turkish delegation visited the Tbilisi aircraft plant (today it is called "Tbilaviamsheni").

Previously, the enterprise was named "Plant No. 31". It was founded in Soviet times - in 1941. Over the years of its existence, the Tbilisi Aviation Plant has produced and repaired hundreds of aircraft and missiles. Among the manufactured products are MiG-15, MiG-17 fighters, Su-25 attack aircraft.

To date, this enterprise, which after privatization and re-privatization came under the control of the Georgian Ministry of Defense, has lost capacity for the production of airplanes and helicopters. In the best case, the aircraft is being repaired at the plant. For example, Mi-24 and UH-1 helicopters and Su-25 attack aircraft are being repaired.

Turkish delegation has met with Georgian Deputy Defense Minister Zurab Azarashvili and General Director of Tbilisi Aircraft Manufacturing (JSC Tbilaviamsheni) Mikheil Oghlishvili.



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Stuka said:

This wasn't what I imagined though.

BREAKING: Unconfirmed reports that Ankara has ordered 50 x SU-25 Close Air Support Jets from Georgia’s Tbilisi Aircraft Manufacturing group. The Georgian Su-25’s will be built to NATO standards using Turkish subsystems & precision strike weapons.

Turkey is looking for a low cost platform similar to the US A-10 Warthog. The Turkish Su-25 will use Turkish anti-tank missiles. They will be split between bases at Turkish Thrace & Eastern Turkey.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1454218128351580160

Is this Guy even reliable or does Georgia have Capacities to Produce that Jet.

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TAI visit in Georgia's Plant on 22nd October.

Turkey, Georgia to cooperate in field of military aviation

Turkey, Georgia to cooperate in field of military aviation

apa.az

The Georgian authorities are counting on the development of military aviation... Reportedly, for this, the stake is placed on "allies" from NATO, first of all - on "Turkey belonging to the region."

The Georgian Defense Ministry informs that it is discussing with its Turkish counterparts the issues of deepening cooperation in the military-technical sphere. First of all, we are talking about the development of military aviation. In particular, Georgia "continues to implement the transition to NATO standards, including NATO standards in terms of providing military equipment."

Negotiations are taking place in Georgia. The capital of this republic was visited by a Turkish delegation headed by the Director General of the Turkish Aerospace Company.

Representatives of the Turkish delegation visited the Tbilisi aircraft plant (today it is called "Tbilaviamsheni").

Previously, the enterprise was named "Plant No. 31". It was founded in Soviet times - in 1941. Over the years of its existence, the Tbilisi Aviation Plant has produced and repaired hundreds of aircraft and missiles. Among the manufactured products are MiG-15, MiG-17 fighters, Su-25 attack aircraft.

To date, this enterprise, which after privatization and re-privatization came under the control of the Georgian Ministry of Defense, has lost capacity for the production of airplanes and helicopters. In the best case, the aircraft is being repaired at the plant. For example, Mi-24 and UH-1 helicopters and Su-25 attack aircraft are being repaired.

Turkish delegation has met with Georgian Deputy Defense Minister Zurab Azarashvili and General Director of Tbilisi Aircraft Manufacturing (JSC Tbilaviamsheni) Mikheil Oghlishvili.

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Everyone is OLD!

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Experienced.

Stuka said:

This wasn't what I imagined though.

BREAKING: Unconfirmed reports that Ankara has ordered 50 x SU-25 Close Air Support Jets from Georgia’s Tbilisi Aircraft Manufacturing group. The Georgian Su-25’s will be built to NATO standards using Turkish subsystems & precision strike weapons.

Turkey is looking for a low cost platform similar to the US A-10 Warthog. The Turkish Su-25 will use Turkish anti-tank missiles. They will be split between bases at Turkish Thrace & Eastern Turkey.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1454218128351580160

Is this Guy even reliable or does Georgia have Capacities to Produce that Jet.

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TAI visit in Georgia's Plant on 22nd October.

Turkey, Georgia to cooperate in field of military aviation

Turkey, Georgia to cooperate in field of military aviation

apa.az

The Georgian authorities are counting on the development of military aviation... Reportedly, for this, the stake is placed on "allies" from NATO, first of all - on "Turkey belonging to the region."

The Georgian Defense Ministry informs that it is discussing with its Turkish counterparts the issues of deepening cooperation in the military-technical sphere. First of all, we are talking about the development of military aviation. In particular, Georgia "continues to implement the transition to NATO standards, including NATO standards in terms of providing military equipment."

Negotiations are taking place in Georgia. The capital of this republic was visited by a Turkish delegation headed by the Director General of the Turkish Aerospace Company.

Representatives of the Turkish delegation visited the Tbilisi aircraft plant (today it is called "Tbilaviamsheni").

Previously, the enterprise was named "Plant No. 31". It was founded in Soviet times - in 1941. Over the years of its existence, the Tbilisi Aviation Plant has produced and repaired hundreds of aircraft and missiles. Among the manufactured products are MiG-15, MiG-17 fighters, Su-25 attack aircraft.

To date, this enterprise, which after privatization and re-privatization came under the control of the Georgian Ministry of Defense, has lost capacity for the production of airplanes and helicopters. In the best case, the aircraft is being repaired at the plant. For example, Mi-24 and UH-1 helicopters and Su-25 attack aircraft are being repaired.

Turkish delegation has met with Georgian Deputy Defense Minister Zurab Azarashvili and General Director of Tbilisi Aircraft Manufacturing (JSC Tbilaviamsheni) Mikheil Oghlishvili.

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This source was debunked many times when they shared such sensational news. I don't see any logic in a such possible decision. As I said my and many analysts point of view is that Turkey haves enough air to ground assets both in terms of manned and unmanned platforms. A logical solution would be a procurement of a fighter jet who would bring decent enough air to air capability and Su-25 as a platform does not carry such a potential.

Why Turkey will buy Su 25 when Hurjet is coming and can perform CAS same as Su 25 , Aslo Hurjet is cheaper than F16 .
And Aksungur , Akinci are ready for mass producing and they are like bomber drones with 1+ tons weapons
!! Dont publish those fake news .

Huelague said:

Experienced.

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half dead to me....

I'm in favor of never quoting that source again.

Tbilisi factory hasn't manufactured any platform from scratch since the collapse of the Soviet Union, just look at the state of factory, all it does it maintenance and upgrades nowadays. Plus Turkey has no need for aircraft such as Su-25 with UCAVs such as Akinci coming into service.

You can trust he

SavunmaSanayiST.com said:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1454546251932999685

You can trust he

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This purchase would make no sense when Turkey already has multiple capable platform for ground attack. So this guy using your photo to spread fake news, eh?