TR Politics

Lool said:

The guy does say some true words but take care of the poison mixed within. Since he is an imperialist, according to your statements, he is without a doubt trying to glorify Putin and make him appear as a once in a lifetime genius

Anyway, firstly, If Erdo was a complete failure as per his statements, then Putin wouldnt even need to sell Nuclear tech to Turkey. He cant just make Turkey promise to not buy gas from any Nation other than Russia in exchange for a decent discount which will reduce pressure on Turkey's expenses. Since Erdo is a failure anyway, according to the video, he would never need to risk selling tech to Turkey in the first place

Dont get me wrong though, Putin knows the West doesnt want Turkey to get nuclear tech so him giving Turkey such tech will aggravate tensions between Turkey and West. However, as I said many times before, the Nuclear deal between Turkey and Russia is way too deep than a simple nuclear reactor. Russia is a country that needs cash and Erdo will give Russia a lot of cash but in return he will get a qualified operating and building workforce of nuclear tech which is an unbelievable good long term investment
Putin does also benefit from pushing Turkey away from the West but who cares since the reward (in the long term) is more worth it tbh! However, the true merit in such deal isnt money or pushing turkey away from the West, but blackmailing Erdo with the deal.
Erdo needs the deal and until he obtains a decent sized workforce, he will turn a blind eye towards Russia's shenanigans


If Turkey goes back to the West again, Russia will be screwed for sure since many deals like the nuclear one will ge scrapped and an extra enemy will be added against Russia. However, the greatest losers by then will be the Turks

I believe even some respectable members in this forum did state that for Turkey to have a true deterrent, it must possess nuclear tech. I forgot who posted that though

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Anastasius said:

I have stated that Turkey should possess nuclear weapons as a deterrent. However, Russia is not the only option and Turkey will not lose much by separating itself from Russia's claws contrary to your assertions. I understand you have an allergy towards the West however your assertion that Russia is the better bet is not borne out by what we can see. You should know where Russia stands - remember the Yugoslav Wars.

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guest12 said:

Another outright Gulenist propaganda you guys dont understand what you are doing. .. DEVA created by .. Ahmet Davutoglu , same guy despise being partner with Erdogan for years after 15 Temmuz he turned back on him because his loyalty to Fethullah Gulen.To this day this piece of s.. did not denounce Fethullah Gulen .

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Anastasius said:

Are people here familiar with Yuri Podolyaka? He is a Russian analyst and while he's yet another Russian imperialist, yet does have some interesting takes. One of his recent videos on Turkey, he made a point that Putin is probably keeping Erdogan afloat and all of the Russian-Turkish partnerships like nuclear research are really there to make sure that Erdogan isn't a complete failure because Erdogan's combative stance with the West is advantageous to Russia. If Turkey goes completely back under the Western umbrella again, Russia is screwed even more than they already are and Russia no longer has blackmail material to hold over Turkey's head.

Mind you, his content is entirely in Russian so the amount of useful content you can extract from this is directly correlated to your mastery of the language:

Also do note, as I said, that he is a "Russia great" type though he does feign opposition to Putinism every now and then.

EDIT: I'll provide a transcript below when I have more time.

EDIT 2: Here it is:

Hello, my dear viewers. Currently it is 26th of November and today I would like to talk about yesterday's topic, the economic problems of Turkey. The thing is that in the comments of that video, I received an absolutely beautiful comment, I even teared up a little, one of the patriots of the Great Turkish Empire which Erdogan, Recep Erdogan is building today, he wrote "Yuri, you don't understand anything. Actually, the great Recep Erdogan, he is actually rewriting global economic theory. He is showing how to throw off the economic shackles of the West. We are becoming witness to another revolution in Turkey, but not in the streets, not what you think, the revolution is being realized by Erdogan himself. Basically, Erdogan is leading Turkey out of dependency on Western capital, which is holding back the economic growth of Turkey."

In general, I won't read you that whole post, so what is my dear viewer talking about? I'll provide a link to him in the description below and you can carefully read everything. So what is my dear viewer talking about? That in reality, Erdogan fooled the Europeans. He attracted Western capital from Europe, from USA, into Turkey, devalued the lira and thus robbed his enemies and now, thanks to lira's devaluation, for which he will flood the economy with money, it will grow explosively and further he cites the fact that PPE grew by more than 20% during the second quarter, that this is showing how ingenious Recep Erdogan's scheme is and that this will lead to the economy growing so fast, there will be new industries and all this free money will create a huge amount of jobs, all this will cost very cheaply, the self-value will be in cents and the economy of Turkey will dominate the whole world.

I was reading all this and tearing up and these were tears of laughter. But the only deduction I made from this is that the followers of Putin are mere children compared to the followers of Recep Erdogan. And you know what is most amazing about this, why I decided to make this video? Because, for example, all this, there is nothing genius about it. All this was tried in an analogous situation in my native Ukraine at the beginning of the 90s. Back then, it was also thought that by expanding the inflationary cycle, all economic problems of the country could be solved, jobs could be created, make an effective economy, etc. This ended in ruin, from which a very long recovery took place in the 00s. And OK if Recep Erdogan was indeed proposing some new economic model, for example that of the Islamic world, follower of which he is.

He is a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood, at least one of the Muslim Brotherhood, and I would have understood if he was adapting Turkey to the rules of sharia so, for example, removed usury and so on. But he is leading his Turkey in the model of capitalism. And the main problem of inflation if it is crossing over some reasonable boundaries is that it is unmanageable because not a single entrepreneur, if they understand that there is an insane amount of unknown inflation in the country, will be able to build industries, plan industries, and thus such inflation will not birth any new industries. It will birth only chaos and confusion which will always end in the reduction of job activity. Any careful, normal entrepreneur will either wait it out for an opportune moment or take their money overseas to safeguard it.

I don't want to upset my dear viewer too much but I do not expect any explosive growth of the nation's economy as a result of what is occurring. And that 21% growth of PPE that Turkey showed during the second quarter is not explosive growth as a result of the economy that Erdogan built, it is a consequence of the drop that said economy experienced in 2020. And if we compare the results of the second quarter with the first quarter, then the growth of the Turkish economy is 0.9%. And any financially-minded person who, even if they didn't get an economic degree, at least listened to the classes, understands that in the third and fourth quarters, there won't be such numbers. But there will be huge problems for the Turkish economy which clearly can't handle the geopolitical maneuvers of its leader.

And the country is surrounded by a large number of enemies who have no intention of making this country into yet another empire. And this happens to be the main problem of Erdogan. And the only one who is currently saving him and thanks to whom the Turkish Neo-Ottoman Empire yet lives, is the Russian president Vladimir Putin who, as I have shown before in previous material, is the only person still interested in letting this develop. Because the Turkish empire of Erdogan is bringing upon itself a large amount of opposition by the West, thus preventing said West from jumping on Russia. He also understands that if Turkey changes government, then this new Turkey or rather, old Turkey, will not only become an enemy of Russia but will also not only not weaken the West but strengthen it. And Russia will have to expand its armed forces also against Turkey.

Because of this and nothing else, Vladimir Putin is doing everything he can to stop Erdogan drowning, to prevent the economy of Turkey from drowning with him. Because of this he provides credit, builds Akkuyu for free with credit, etc, etc, you can keep counting the amount of blessings the Turkish president received from Putin to no end, precisely because Erdogan's Turkey is very important for Putin's Russia. While Erdogan is in power, Russia can sleep soundly. And I am not saying that Putin is making some genius moves, he just does his job well. But the Turkish president, he is not doing his job so well and the Turkish populace has been feeling it on their skin for the past several years. Yes, they are tolerating it for now and are ready to tolerate it for some times for the sake of Great Turkey and I am very hopeful that they will tolerate it at least until 2023, when there will be very important presidential and parliamentary elections in Turkey.

In these, the Turkish people must make the correct choice and I am hinting which one - they should vote for Recep Erdogan, to whom I wish victory by all possible means as does his friend Vladimir Putin. And to whom that very same Vladimir Putin will be helping keep power for as long as possible because I repeat, Vladimir Putin is not doing this for nothing as otherwise everything for Russia can be very, very bad. And Recep Erdogan is not showing any ingenious economic acumen during this. The only thing this "ingeniousness" can bring is his fall from power because if he continues to conduct such genius politics then he could lose power in 2023 or maybe even sooner if the new economic course of the Turkish president is even more ingenious. This is how I can comment on the current opus of my dear viewer, from a more detailed economic perspective this opus was analyzed by my friend Mikhail Onufrienko who is educated in economic matters and who dismantled this opus piece by piece.

I will provide a link to his material in the description and it will also appear in the interactive links after the video. In regards to the topic, I am hoping we are done, goodbye, subscribe to the channel and in the traditional manner of this channel I wish everyone good health.

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GoatsMilk said:

Article is nonsense. A good example is when they killed Turkish troops, that could have dethroned erodgan had he not reacted. The Russians were anticipating that erdogan wouldn't have the balls to retaliate. Then Turkey retaliated and Russias reputation took an international hit. From no fly zone in syria and best air defence systems, their hardware became a laughing stock. People internationally couldn't understand what was happening, then Turkey took that form of war into Libya and Azerbaijan, in both cases the Russians took a hit.

Russian propaganda exists on the concept that they are all powerful and invincible and Putin can never make a mistake. Up until he went up against Turkey he was winning everywhere.

Also the narrative that Turkey is west or east. Turkey operates to serve her own interests within her own means. A good example is the Cyprus 1974. The west made the most sense for Turkey and still does, but only up to a point. Its not for the west or the east to decide who and what Turkey is. Turkey exists as a nation/people who have the longest continuous history of self rule bar maybe one or two nations. Most people in the west and east fail to understand Turkey because they operate within the west/east divide. Turkey operates for herself.

That retaliation changed the international standing of Turkey. Erdogan may be seen as an international joke, but Turkey is seen as a very serious and capable military power.

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Lool said:

Hm...... it seems that you didnt completely get what I meant
Firstly, I have no allergy towards the West; yet, I do know that they were, are, and will always be anti-turkish from the moment Ataturk screwed their asses or even way before that

Certainly, Russia isnt the only option for when it comes to nuclear energy. However, as I said before, there is a difference between getting nuclear energy and nationally operating nuclear energy facilities. As an example, lets take the UAE, which has nucoear facilities. However, those who built and operate the plants are undoubtedly South Korea. Now as an individual, Iam 100% opposed to just building nuclear facilities by a foreigner. What I want is for my own ppl to know how to build, operate, and manipulate such tech.

Now which countries obtain Nuclear tech? The West, South and North Korea, India, Pakistan, China, Japan, and Russia
The West will never give Turkey nuclear tech, since Erdo did ask them for it b4 and they refused and they want Turkey to never have such a deterrent, and the remaining countries apart from Russia and China will succumb to Western pressure to not provide Turkey with nuclear tech. So who is left? North Korea, China, and Russia
Since Turkey has no contacts whatsoever with N.Korea, and that Turkey will never risk its good relations with S.Korea just for the North, lets exclude it! All whats left is China and Russia. China, just like with its most sophisticated military hardware, wont sell nuclear tech to Turkey but can build and operate one for Turkey. As for Russia, the deal is as you see!
Honestly, I believe that the Russian deal is just way too good for Turkey 15 years from now. By then, Turkey will have the capability to build, operate, and research Nuclear tech which is a massive feat tbh

Now, as I said in my previous post, Russia wont be giving it away for free. They do get a lot in return as well; thus, it is a win-win for both

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CAN_TR said:

What's DW's intentions all the time? Now they accuse Turkey for assimilating Circassians, who btw. came as refugees in the 19th century.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1464891565579517953

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Cenkcnk said:

Anybody knows why did we fight with UAE, KSA, Egypt, Israel and now we are seeking relations?

Everything happens in TR is damn crazy but nobody gives a s.hit

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Cenkcnk said:

Anybody knows why did we fight with UAE, KSA, Egypt, Israel and now we are seeking relations?

Everything happens in TR is damn crazy but nobody gives a s.hit

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Anastasius said:

Eh, Erdogan didn't exactly react in a way that bothered Russians much. Turkish soldiers are injured or even killed on a regular basis by Russian bombings, I have yet to see a single Russian soldier dead because of Turkish retaliatory strikes. That reaction ended with Erdogan calling a halt and going to Moscow to negotiate with Putin and Turkey has been forced to give up territory inch by inch and "cooperate" with Russia regardless. The TB2 got some good marketing though, that's for sure.

And I am aware that Podolyaka is a Russian propagandist, this isn't even his most egregious showing (you should hear him on Ukraine or Poland. Or vice-versa, trying to minimize the severity of Russia's own internal problems). He still brings up an interesting point, that Russia is essentially using Turkey under Erdogan as a shield against the Western alliance.


No, I think I got it. I don't think the West is particularly hostile towards Turkey because of some historical considerations, Ataturk was almost a century ago but that's not the point here.

You are mistaken about Russia's nuclear cooperation with Turkey. I have looked into Akkuyu, it will be owned, operated and almost wholly controlled by Rosatom. Several domestic Turkish companies, in fact, bowed out because they had disagreements over the amount of control the Russians have over it. It will essentially be a Russian-owned power plant operating on Turkish territory that provides energy to Turkey at a discount. And the workers will be Russian expats.

This is not at all more beneficial to Turkey than, for example, cooperating with Japan or other western-aligned countries, a deal that fell through for reasons I still do not completely understand. In fact, it's worse because Russia is an active rival and will never let Turkey get anywhere close to being able to make nuclear weapons - which is very much different from operating power plants. Turkey is not getting any know-how from Russia how to do so and I do not see any sources claiming as such. If you do have them, please go ahead and post because as of now I do not see this as in any way beneficial but giving Russia yet more leverage over Turkey for basically minimal gain, if any.

As I said, Turkey will not be the biggest loser if this stops. Russia will be. Stop falling for Russian propaganda that they are the only alternative. They aren't.

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CAN_TR said:

What's DW's intentions all the time? Now they accuse Turkey for assimilating Circassians, who btw. came as refugees in the 19th century.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1464891565579517953

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Ryder said:

These German hypocrites wont call out the ones who caused this crisis.

It was the Russians.

Tayyip is not dping enough to ban American, European and Russian Media.

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Anastasius said:

Banning won't do a thing, countering the disinformation is what will.

Isn't the first time either, I once came across a "Circassian" on Quora who answered a question about the Circassian genocide...by spending 2/3 of his answer s***ting on Turks while trying to whitewash Russians. Upon closer inspection of his profile, he turned out to be, surprise, surprise, a Russian.

Though it's not only Russians, I found that the likes of Iran and even the same Gulf Arab countries that Erdogan is sucking up to pushing this kind of nonsense.

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Ryder said:

Quora is a garbage website. Racism against Turks perfectly fine while I got banned many times from them.

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