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Lool · Jan 11, 2022

Wooooow

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1480822221375295488

Cenkcnk · Jan 11, 2022

All PKK related people should be banned from the parliament for life time. Militants, militants' fuck buddies, Pkk lickers etc

Turko · Jan 12, 2022

Why has the government suddenly noticed HDP-PKK relations. Where have you been 20 years?

The government noticed that just because misguiding voters from economic crash?

Güzel: Fotoğraf çözüm sürecinde çekildi

Güzel: Photo taken during the resolution process

If these photos came to you 5 years ago, why there was no investigation initiated against me during the year when I was not a member of parliament?

Since these photos came to you 5 years ago, even from the tweet I sent, why there was no report sent to the Parliament regarding this file in the three and a half years when I was working as a deputy, while the report was being prepared?

https://www.evrensel.net/haber/452282/hdpli-guzel-5-yil-once-ele-gecen-fotograflar-neden-bugun-servis-edildi

HDP'li Güzel hakkında fezleke

Öldürülen PKK'lı teröristle fotoğrafı basına yansıyan HDP Milletvekili Semra Güzel hakkında hazırlanan fezleke, Adalet Bakanlığına gönderildi.

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Anastasius · Jan 12, 2022

Someone else brought up Ireland and Spain as comparisons but there's one major difference.

In both cases, the relevant political parties were ONLY allowed to operate in peace after all militant activity ceased.

HDP needs to be forced to renounce the PKK altogether and condemn their terrorist ways before they are allowed to operate freely.

Yasar_TR · Jan 12, 2022

Anastasius said:
Someone else brought up Ireland and Spain as comparisons but there's one major difference.

In both cases, the relevant political parties were ONLY allowed to operate in peace after all militant activity ceased.

HDP needs to be forced to renounce the PKK altogether and condemn their terrorist ways before they are allowed to operate freely.

It was I who wrote about Sinn Fein in Ireland and Other parties in Spain.
I am afraid you are a bit misinformed. Sinn Fein dates back to 1902. They were outlawed in UK until 1974. But became a legal entity after that. Terrorist group IRA, although agreed to discuss disarming in 1998, it was in 2005 that they actually disarmed. First time Sinn Fein were in UK political scene was when they were in Northen Ireland assembly in 1982 elections.
So Sinn Fein was there and active whilst IRA was still bombing London. I remember flying on the same plane with Gerry Adams, President of Sinn Fein, from London to Belfast few weeks after a big bomb exploded in London. Although they always declared that violence was not the solution, the bond between IRA and Sinn Fein was well known. But allowed to exist by UK government.
Same goes for ETA and the Basque parties. They were both active whilst terrorist activities were being performed. The only difference is that the Spanish closed down one. But another one emerged.

Edit:
It is a solid worldwide fact that these parties can only get widespread recognition and acceptance if they can verbally and physically detach themselves from terrorist activities. At this day and age any political party should know that. (Unless their strings are pulled by foreign powers.)

TheInsider · Jan 12, 2022

EVERY TURK ON THIS FORUM SHOULD LISTEN TO THIS!

manifesto · Jan 12, 2022

I hope, Umit Ozdag and Muharrem Ince build alliance. We don't want anymore to ummah Arabist. Of course ,other oryantalist party's as well.

Anastasius · Jan 12, 2022

Yasar said:
It was I who wrote about Sinn Fein in Ireland and Other parties in Spain.
I am afraid you are a bit misinformed. Sinn Fein dates back to 1902. They were outlawed in UK until 1974. But became a legal entity after that. Terrorist group IRA, although agreed to discuss disarming in 1998, it was in 2005 that they actually disarmed. First time Sinn Fein were in UK political scene was when they were in Northen Ireland assembly in 1982 elections.
So Sinn Fein was there and active whilst IRA was still bombing London. I remember flying on the same plane with Gerry Adams, President of Sinn Fein, from London to Belfast few weeks after a big bomb exploded in London. Although they always declared that violence was not the solution, the bond between IRA and Sinn Fein was well known. But allowed to exist by UK government.
Same goes for ETA and the Basque parties. They were both active whilst terrorist activities were being performed. The only difference is that the Spanish closed down one. But another one emerged.

Edit:
It is a solid worldwide fact that these parties can only get widespread recognition and acceptance if they can verbally and physically detach themselves from terrorist activities. At this day and age any political party should know that. (Unless their strings are pulled by foreign powers.)

I see. Thank you for informing me.

Lool · Jan 16, 2022

Wow, a truly bad sign

I honestly thought that the AKP was the only party to use religion as a tool; however, it seems that the CHP is joining on board as well
With Kemal being the descendant of the prophet, will the AKP call Erdo as the Mahdi? Lool

With this, the CHP is playing on all bands from pro-LGBTs to pro-Religion factions. I really wonder how will they balance them out if they win the bloody elections. Some of their supporters are bound to lose and nkt get what they want after all

Pretty sad to see the CHP doing this. Many ppl dont wanna the AKP because they are using religion as a tool, yet the CHP is also joining the band

Although I must admit that the propaganda of the CHP across all media spectrums are outright better than the AKP. The AKP sucks in propaganda tbh!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1482250521864028162

mulj · Jan 17, 2022

Lool said:
Wow, a truly bad sign

I honestly thought that the AKP was the only party to use religion as a tool; however, it seems that the CHP is joining on board as well
With Kemal being the descendant of the prophet, will the AKP call Erdo as the Mahdi? Lool

With this, the CHP is playing on all bands from pro-LGBTs to pro-Religion factions. I really wonder how will they balance them out if they win the bloody elections. Some of their supporters are bound to lose and nkt get what they want after all

Pretty sad to see the CHP doing this. Many ppl dont wanna the AKP because they are using religion as a tool, yet the CHP is also joining the band

Although I must admit that the propaganda of the CHP across all media spectrums are outright better than the AKP. The AKP sucks in propaganda tbh!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1482250521864028162

I respectfully disagree in principle, for me this is sign of maturity by CHP by acknowledging turkish society as wider spectrum then usual pro and contra stuff and this could actually work for them.

Manomed · Jan 17, 2022

mulj said:
No, that would be matter of the new authorities, oh wait math says that HDP be will be part of it, lol.

On the serious note it will be miracle to see AKP defeat on elections with this opposition structure, that is so obvious. At the end of the day AKP still has strongest coalition potential regardless of smaller numbers of votes.

Akp is the reason why we have HDP? go read about siege of cizre and çözüm süreci you'll love akp even more

DD

mulj · Jan 17, 2022

Manomed said:
Akp is the reason why we have HDP? go read about siege of cizre and çözüm süreci you'll love akp even more DD

what is your point exactly and how far you are willing to go in past about reasoning itself?

Manomed · Jan 17, 2022

mulj said:
what is your point exactly and how far you are willing to go in past about reasoning itself?

I can go back to past Because I know what happned in those years unlike you. Lots of soldiers died because of your islamist buddies. Chp wasn't the ones who brought turkey to kneel against kurds It was your terrorist loving muslim buddies.

Its always non turks circle jerking akp here Kurds/Bosnians/albanians/Gurbetçis

I lived the "çözüm süreci" years akp let those vile creatures to burn down turkish cities kill turkish soldiers hell we even lost a city to pkk and took it back. Your muslim buddies are the reason why we got these commies in the parliament.

mulj · Jan 17, 2022

Manomed said:
I can go back to past Because I know what happned in those years unlike you. Lots of soldiers died because of your islamist buddies. Chp wasn't the ones who brought turkey to kneel against kurds It was your terrorist loving muslim buddies. You won't understand this because we know what bosnians did to civilians you ain't diffrent than a terrorist

cool man, whatever rocks your boat. my mistake that you will bring out some substantial and relevant point regarding current political situations and balance within political spectrum which could actually related to the upcoming elections.

Manomed · Jan 17, 2022

mulj said:
cool man, whatever rocks your boat. my mistake that you will bring out some substantial and relevant point regarding current political situations and balance within political spectrum which could actually related to the upcoming elections.

had enough of your bullshits you are talking like a Turk who lives in Turkey while you are not.

mulj · Jan 17, 2022

Manomed said:
had enough of your bullshits you are talking like a Turk who lives in Turkey while you are not.

thank you for your insight, i will feel free to exercise my freedom of expression within forum rules and if you are not fine with that you can also practice it in reverse way, forum is extraordinary with options that provides tools which enables stuff where you can practically be aware that i do not even participate in discussions.

Ravenman · Jan 17, 2022

If you want to kill the HDP, just form another Kurdish party, but this time a modest and real (religous) Kurdish party without the Armenian connection and links with the PKK.

If you cant beat the opposition, just form the oppositon yourself.

Xenon54 · Jan 17, 2022

Ravenman said:
If you want to kill the HDP, just form another Kurdish party, but this time a modest and real (religous) Kurdish party without the Armenian connection and links with the PKK.

If you cant beat the opposition, just form the oppositon yourself.

Yeah, another religious party is what Turkey needs right now, because religion is so relevant to politics, the success of religion driven policy in Turkey has proven that... *sarcasm off
Have you forgotten what the religous Kurds under Sheikh Said did? Now you want to replace communists separatists by islamist separatists.
You guys are never gonna learn.

CAN_TR · Jan 17, 2022

xenon5434 said:
Yeah, another religious party is what Turkey needs right now, because religion is so relevant to politics, the success of religion driven policy in Turkey has proven that... *sarcasm off
Have you forgotten what the religous Kurds under Sheikh Said did? Now you want to replace communists separatists by islamist separatists.
You guys are never gonna learn.

Sheikh Said was actually a ethnic Zaza like the guy you quote, those people actually don't see him as a terrorist... why do you believe AKP honours him every year in SE provinces?

As if Kurdish Hizbullah for example are any different than the other Kurdish Seperatists.

Xenon54 · Jan 17, 2022

CAN_TR said:
Sheikh Said was actually a ethnic Zaza like the guy you quote, those people actually don't see him as a terrorist... why do you believe AKP honours him every year in SE provinces?

As if Kurdish Hizbullah for example are any different than the other Kurdish Seperatists.

If you critisize AKP or Erdogan you are a traitor but praising a separatists leader who has no difference to öcalan is absolutely ok, politics in Turkey is fucked up...

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