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So they don’t want to buy from Otokar and FNSS because they are waiting for BMC ? Correct ?
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Honestly a deadline should be put in place
Anybody who fails to meet it should f off.
Altug can be sold to other countries its not like bmc is missing out on anything.
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Bro by default, a deadline will apply to any kind of procurement or performance test. A universal fact. So it’s there alright.
What they do here though is they re-do the tests for wheeled models due to “certain reasons” (paraphrasing Mr. Sunnetci’s tweet)
the tracked models… is a very different story and kind of destined to share a similar fate with Altay I’m afraid
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If you read that part as well, they put local engine to that one as well!! The ones already produced by FNSS and Otokar needs to be redesigned !! This is also an act to give tender to BMC!!
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Absolutely . I read it all.
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Timeline likely extended because of the requirements that engine would be nationally made
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We can get engines for this level, why we are not using engines from abroad for limited number and get rest with local engines??
This is not something that can be believed.
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If the tender is being delayed just for the altug thats not fair for the competition.
Because the altug is given time to improve if not be rushed.
Altug looks more like a heavy vehicle rather than a compact ifv.
Altug would most likely get customers in the Middle East and the Sahara like Chad as they love their big vehicles and their mad max style warfare.
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If this was the reason they would have given it.
Saying „reasons“ only points to one reason the same reason they delayed the Altay tender for 2 years.
we all know the reason why the decided after the mine/ied tests to redo it.
Altug crumbled like a piece of paper and now they need a way to give BMC time to fix the vehicle or it will be disqualified in the first round already.
A company that is bleeding money and personnel. A company which has never before designed a armored vehicle from the ground.
No wonder Altug has failed the tests.
Let’s see how long they will delay this tender to give BMC even a chance of competing just to choose Altug anyway even though it comes dead last.
Not to even speak about the fact that BMC has no production lines. Where are they gonna produce Altug in a mass production? Or are we gonna wait 18 months tm for that too once they force a rushed decision on the Land Forces to choose Altug?
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Did Altug fail in the mine/ied tests?
First time hearing it tbh
Can you share the source
I thought all companies succeeded in the mine/ied tests
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Complete and utter politically inspired tosh, much like everything else you post to smear BMC - atleast have some credible sources then to come up with fabricated lies.
For those wondering, Altug actually passed the blast tests. Having another round of testing for all vehicles involved in the tender process has nothing to do with short comings of any particular vehicle.
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Oh wow it does have a compact design.
I guess I got it confused with its huge ass turrent
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Yeah looking from this side I think it does.
But I think it would be a good idea to put them in the same frame to give people an idea about their sizes because that thing looked like a bus in size
edit: taking a picture side by side by whoever gonna test the vehicles
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That is your evidence? A GIF without any footage of the results? HAHAHAHAHA
My man your BMC is done for. It is already a dead man walking the elections will be its funeral. And in two years people like you will walk around and deny ever having defended this stain of a company.
It is bleeding personnel and money. It's new yandas owners know this and can't do anything other than downscale projects and let people walk. Its reputation is in the gutters. When was the last time BMC even exported something without it be bought by the government and gifted to "friendly" nations?
There is a reason Ethem Sancak sold his shares and then started shit talking your reis and his (former) best friend. Dude to this day is laughing his ass off.
If half the shit given to BMC was given to Otokar or even FNSS and they delivered as badly as them you would be shit talking here daily. But instead you try to defend a pathetic company and its preferred status by the government because it all leads back to the person you fanboy about every day.
Scratch that you talk shit about Otokar every day here because of pure political motivation. Don't make me laugh. We all know why you do it. Meanwhile BMC is using the same powerpacks and foreign subsystems in its vehicles, and then you come around and akshually the discussion. And no you aren't sly about the way you do it.
BMC can only dream of developing and producing vehicles in the same quality as Otokar or FNSS.
We will talk again after the election until then you can continue your charade.
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Not gonna bother with another one of your schit posts which like many other of your posts is full of lies and deceit shows your character really , however I will let you know I'm all in favour of FNSS winning the tender [Shock horror].
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FNSS Celebrates 30 Years.
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OMANs Pars III 8x8
Initial Production (first delivery took place in June 2017, so these are quite old images.)
FNSS Zaha and Kaplan 10 Production line.
in the front there are 4 Zaha's and in the background there are 4 Kaplan 10 Chassis.
A better look at the PARS IV 8x8 turret named Teber 35.
Image is from IDEF21
a better look at the Kaplan 10 production line
there are apparently at least 12 Kaplan 10s but likely even more since the hall is quite long.
Notes:
OMANs Pars III 8x8
Initial Production (first delivery took place in June 2017, so these are quite old images.)
FNSS Zaha and Kaplan 10 Production line.
in the front there are 4 Zaha's and in the background there are 4 Kaplan 10 Chassis.
A better look at the PARS IV 8x8 turret named Teber 35.
Image is from IDEF21
a better look at the Kaplan 10 production line
there are apparently at least 12 Kaplan 10s but likely even more since the hall is quite long.
Yes, again, comments containing ideological and politically baseless claims.
Whatever bmc does is bad for you. However, it was said that the tender written on the previous pages is on hold for Fnss.
Bmc is a national success story. No matter what anyone says, you cannot change this fact.
Today's Türkiye defense industry, It is the success of our Mr. President Erdogan. Without ignoring the small moves of the past, of course. Theese are proofs
Whatever bmc does is bad for you. However, it was said that the tender written on the previous pages is on hold for Fnss.
Bmc is a national success story. No matter what anyone says, you cannot change this fact.
Today's Türkiye defense industry, It is the success of our Mr. President Erdogan. Without ignoring the small moves of the past, of course. Theese are proofs
Friends, SSB will choose the best for our country together with the user. How many times have we seen this? They were criticized, but in the end, you see that there was a reason for their choice when you understand the conditions.
Everything is discussed in the forums. In terms of land vehicles, the SSB also valued conditions such as foreign dependency, domestic engines and equipment at least.
It is said that there are many foreign components in Otokar. It's a problem that we can't get rid of the foreign partner in Fnns. Bmc remains. We do not know the exact specifications of Bmc's product yet. Occurs over time.
In today's conditions, there is no point in buying a vehicle that we cannot use due to the embargo from parts. If there is an ulterior motive, Otokar is not allowed to produce, not to be allowed to sell abroad, etc.
As Fnss representatives said in a defense magazine interview, the bidding is huge. For the continuity of the sector, if a part of the production of the winning producer is given to other companies, the sector will sustain itself. This idea seemed very logical and valuable to me.
Everything is discussed in the forums. In terms of land vehicles, the SSB also valued conditions such as foreign dependency, domestic engines and equipment at least.
It is said that there are many foreign components in Otokar. It's a problem that we can't get rid of the foreign partner in Fnns. Bmc remains. We do not know the exact specifications of Bmc's product yet. Occurs over time.
In today's conditions, there is no point in buying a vehicle that we cannot use due to the embargo from parts. If there is an ulterior motive, Otokar is not allowed to produce, not to be allowed to sell abroad, etc.
As Fnss representatives said in a defense magazine interview, the bidding is huge. For the continuity of the sector, if a part of the production of the winning producer is given to other companies, the sector will sustain itself. This idea seemed very logical and valuable to me.
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In the tender for new generation tracked and wheeled vehicles, companies develop their own solutions according to the requirements of SSB. Domestic propulsion solutions are among the priority requirements so each company developing own vehicles continues by establishing a partnership with a Turkish engine compan for domestic power solutions. For example, FNSS works with Tümosan. BMC continue with BMC Power.
In order to meet the protection level requirements, some steel armors that was possibly supplied from abroad before, will likely be produced by MiluxOy in new conditions and retested.
For the differential, suspension and axis gears, domestic solutions developed by Base Studio or Tümosan may have been required instead of foreign solutions.
In Fighting vehicle configuration, Kama-Akkor APS and Korhan-ATGM turret may have been chosen as standard equipments and vehicle manufacturers may have been asked to work on this integration. BMC had presented its 8x8 solution with Korhan turret.
IFV concept with Korhan ATGM turret and APS
After many tests are done again in line with all these new requirements, vehicles with a very high local rate and in many different configurations with 4 digits numbers will be produced. My guess is that the tender will be distributed to 3 different companies (FNSS, BMC, Otokar) according to the configurations of the vehicles to be selected and each company will produce in the selected configuration and deliver it to the Turkish army.
In order to meet the protection level requirements, some steel armors that was possibly supplied from abroad before, will likely be produced by MiluxOy in new conditions and retested.
For the differential, suspension and axis gears, domestic solutions developed by Base Studio or Tümosan may have been required instead of foreign solutions.
In Fighting vehicle configuration, Kama-Akkor APS and Korhan-ATGM turret may have been chosen as standard equipments and vehicle manufacturers may have been asked to work on this integration. BMC had presented its 8x8 solution with Korhan turret.
IFV concept with Korhan ATGM turret and APS
After many tests are done again in line with all these new requirements, vehicles with a very high local rate and in many different configurations with 4 digits numbers will be produced. My guess is that the tender will be distributed to 3 different companies (FNSS, BMC, Otokar) according to the configurations of the vehicles to be selected and each company will produce in the selected configuration and deliver it to the Turkish army.
