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All of us know we are work on all of sections of unmanned systems. İn the future we will have deep strike ucavs and air to air ucavs. But there is a more important thing than hitting in the air is detecting.



Detecting the enemy and concantreate the hunters to him is important. So ucav and uavs are very effective about flight endurance. That's the one of the key points of aew&c .



Yes, Tb-2 kind ucavs are cheap. But when we want to make a jet powered aesa radared , stealth ucavs price's wil rise . But if we make a awacs uav and him light up targets and guide wingmans air to air missiles.



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For example this radar weight is 900 kg and have 300 km range and our akıncı can carry 900 kg external and 450 kg internal weapon or our mius can carry 1000 kg carriage.



But this radar is s band radar for weapon guide we need x band radar or secondary x band radar.



With help of it our stealth cheap wingman ucavs can strike aerial and surface targets without detect and cheap way.

Interesting concept: (didnt know if I should post this in guided ammunition or uavs)

A radar carrying unmanned sensor plane can always be made.

Zafer said:

A radar carrying unmanned sensor plane can always be made.

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Yes, but we have to be at the forefront as much as possible. Innovation is key and we must not allow ourselves to fall back like we have done so too many times before.

Brave Janissary said:

All of us know we are work on all of sections of unmanned systems. İn the future we will have deep strike ucavs and air to air ucavs. But there is a more important thing than hitting in the air is detecting.



Detecting the enemy and concantreate the hunters to him is important. So ucav and uavs are very effective about flight endurance. That's the one of the key points of aew&c .



Yes, Tb-2 kind ucavs are cheap. But when we want to make a jet powered aesa radared , stealth ucavs price's wil rise . But if we make a awacs uav and him light up targets and guide wingmans air to air missiles.



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For example this radar weight is 900 kg and have 300 km range and our akıncı can carry 900 kg external and 450 kg internal weapon or our mius can carry 1000 kg carriage.



But this radar is s band radar for weapon guide we need x band radar or secondary x band radar.



With help of it our stealth cheap wingman ucavs can strike aerial and surface targets without detect and cheap way.

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I envisage a twin engined (AI-25T) MIUS like drone, with the engine placement (at the back) and wing configuration of a standard private jet to carry such an AWACS radar.

Such a drone would have a smaller cross-section and be lighter then your average private jet, while still being able to fly at high-subsonic speed with relatively long endurance, and with enough power reserves for a powerful Erieye-like radar.

Another configuration could be a smaller Saab 340 like UAV with twin prop engines like the Akinci, with 750hp engines, 1 ton radar, avionics, comms and fuel load of 1.6 tons like original Akinci with gross TOW of 6 tons, with higher altitude and much longer endurance then Saab 340.
@UkroTurk we need you to photoshop such drones pls

Combat-Master said:

Yes, but we have to be at the forefront as much as possible. Innovation is key and we must not allow ourselves to fall back like we have done so too many times before.

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There are too many things that can be done in aviation today and which ones should be made first is a matter of good planning. This era of aviation when we can find every single component readily is slowly opening up. I have even met people who are making small passenger planes for the world market with state grants.

No one can disagree that we must act quick and get ahead of the competition. But aviation is a place where failures are very common. There is a saying among aviators that goes as "if you want to have a small fortune in aviation start with a big one." Therefore people are taking it slow and choosing the safe ways. That includes the governments.

Now that we are at it, if anyone here has some $30k laying around I may have an exciting proposition.

We are closer to a „SkyNet“ concept. Netcentric, who connect everything.

We need to invest in medium range transport airplane, Ukrain are the best option for us. If we want to use is amrbargo free.

Ukraine would probably give us everything we would ask for and with our defence industries input we could design the perfect transport aircraft for our needs.

Our C-130 are aging same with the Tanker fleet time to replace them slowly.

Zafer said:

There are too many things that can be done in aviation today and which ones should be made first is a matter of good planning. This era of aviation when we can find every single component readily is slowly opening up. I have even met people who are making small passenger planes for the world market with state grants.

No one can disagree that we must act quick and get ahead of the competition. But aviation is a place where failures are very common. There is a saying among aviators that goes as "if you want to have a small fortune in aviation start with a big one." Therefore people are taking it slow and choosing the safe ways. That includes the governments.

Now that we are at it, if anyone here has some $30k laying around I may have an exciting proposition.

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I don't think this applies at all to unmanned systems.

Combat-Master said:

I don't think this applies at all to unmanned systems.

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There are too many unmanned systems as well that can be done , I have 7 projects myself alone. Because Every manned system I designed can be made unmanned.

Take Vestel for example, where is the money. There are several dozen Turkish unmanned system makers or wannabes but only several of them can sell products.

Manned systems are harder to certificate and a lot costlier for sure. I will give you that.

Brave Janissary said:

All of us know we are work on all of sections of unmanned systems. İn the future we will have deep strike ucavs and air to air ucavs. But there is a more important thing than hitting in the air is detecting.



Detecting the enemy and concantreate the hunters to him is important. So ucav and uavs are very effective about flight endurance. That's the one of the key points of aew&c .



Yes, Tb-2 kind ucavs are cheap. But when we want to make a jet powered aesa radared , stealth ucavs price's wil rise . But if we make a awacs uav and him light up targets and guide wingmans air to air missiles.



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For example this radar weight is 900 kg and have 300 km range and our akıncı can carry 900 kg external and 450 kg internal weapon or our mius can carry 1000 kg carriage.



But this radar is s band radar for weapon guide we need x band radar or secondary x band radar.



With help of it our stealth cheap wingman ucavs can strike aerial and surface targets without detect and cheap way.

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This would be too expensive. To start off a single rotating radar would be good enough and match the worth of unmanned aircraft.

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The delegation of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan visited the UAV base between 23-25 November 2020 within the scope of get information about the UAVs and its facilities.

Test7 said:

The delegation of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan visited the UAV base between 23-25 November 2020 within the scope of get information about the UAVs and its facilities.

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Selling to Kazakhstan poses security risk because of Russia

era_shield said:

In Libya, TB-2s took out many Pantsirs which are designed to destroy drones. Even older AD systems are designed to also detect slow moving helicopters and small targets like missiles, and should be able to detect the propeller of the TB-2 at the very least. Also, as Nutuk pointed out, the TB-2 isn't the only drone in the world - many drone attacks have been done for years by other actors, for example HTS in Syria, and they have mostly been shot down by AD systems, yet somehow the TB-2 is able to crush these same AD systems.

IMO still a mystery how Turkey is able to do it.

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Nutuk said:

mistery is called stealth, composite body. Same with the Harop

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First I should point out Armenia lacks Unified Radar network, Every SAM systems works alone. So, Harops Flies well below detection altitude of any single radar, Especially in a terrain like Karabagh. That is a perfect way to utilize them. Harop would be totaly ineffective in a flat terrain like Libya If They arent supported by EW/EA. TB-2s are only used after succesfull Harop/AN2 attacks of first a few days in the war and After Enemy Air defence is wiped cleaned.

Secondly, Koral is heavily used in Libyan civil war. Without support of Koral, Our UCAVs would be quite useless against Panstirs in Libya And Maybe more importanly, Well trained and Experienced Turkish personals used both of these System and coordinated these with proper intellegence. Compare UAE military personal and No proper intelligence on the other Side. Also Our Intellegence service feed our military the transportance times of many Pansters in Libya. Quite a few of them was not active when they were blown.

Since 2000 There are Only 19 cases of Military drone exports that is publicly known. And 11 of these were Chinese export. And It is true that Chinese drones are used in Combat, But They are not Field tested and Improved by Chinese and Only Operated by Arab personal. Basicly We dont have many compatitor to compare Our drones. And China never provided frontline tactic and technological service like us.

HTS/ISIS/AQ drones are basicly home made drones and They fail more often than they succed. And Their succes depends on their intellegence. That is the case in Asymetric warfare almost always.

And I also wanna point out Another succesful drone attack, "Abqaiq-Khurais attack". Iran used their intellegence to great extend and Basicly attack behind the KSA patriot system and started huge fire in Aramco refineries instead of attacking Facilty from front Where Patriot was facing. And Their success was depending on Iranian Intellegence.

Success of Drone warfare is directly related to reliablity your intellegence, soundness of tactics and execution. That is the Situation in every case We have seen. Claiming our success is helped by Stealth of these Drones, Demeans our military intellegence community and our highly trained personals of these systems. And They deserve the credit here. and We should give them their hard earned credit.

US, UK and especially French academicains have been watching these wars very closely, And They basicly agree upon these assesments And There is no need to mystify these battles, We are the one that shared camera recodings in daily bases. Many Institute watched these recodings very carefully, We also need to analize these in a scientific method and I only hope our military intellegnce community can properly estimate Western and Russian counter measures against our recent Tactics and We can stay ahead in the next conflict.

Our test range with Russian AD radars paid of, proven her worth enabling our engineers to develop systems to beat them. And you are right about Armenia, all of their systems are pretty dated mostly 80'ties stuff and radars that were not designed against small slow objects with low RCS.

If you look at nowadays AESA radars with their enormous super computers to do all the processing work you can easily imagine why old type 80ties radars with less processing power than a nowadays smart phone are simply not up to the task.

I read in many forums a false conception that Russian hardware sucks. No it does not! Russians do make top notch hardware, but if you keep using old 80ties stuff what can the Russian do? Old Western hardware is absolutely not better. There are no wunder waffen, there is simply outdated hardware that is losing to modern nowadays hardware.

And yes TB2 would never achieve the same successes against up do date armies like the US army or Russian army. But does that take away her success against Armenia?

The golden rule is always that the one ahead in technology is several steps ahead and is taking the initiative, this was nothing different when Fatih stood ad the gates of Constantinople.

UAE-backed media

İoannis Theodoratos said:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1332302303760687104

UAE-backed media

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Successwill said:

I wonder if the monkey who prepared this graphic, has any cells in his/her brain

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They even said they shot down an akinci drone lol