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Not really we're just not that eager to die for other people's causes (and preserve their monopoly on oppression), we'd rather do that for our own.

All countries should seek and defend their own interests, not others, describing America and China as a scourge would be an understatement but what America is demanding is other people to go fight its own war (and die) to preserve its hegemony which is so outrageous it's hilarious lol. Good on...

Oh please m not doing this for you my guy , I just don't like "misinformation", that being said, Morocco was the first to strip Algerians in Morocco off of their properties and consequently expulsing them, whatever layer you might want to add on top of it won't make this fact cease to exist, as...

Ever the victims eh, you do realise that in 1973 Morocco nationalised Algerian citizens lands and expulsed them right ? It sucks when innocents get caught in the crossfire but it you have anyone to blame for what happened blame yourselves because you guys started it...

Be it minimal or partial tot it's a net positive, at least a good chunk of the maintenance costs would be contributing to the GDP

Hey no hard feelings here. Debates can heat up sometimes but all is good lol. Mutual history and friendship doesn't get shaken by internet debates between strangers.

Huh. Well I suppose I'll be taking your word for it. Thanks for the correction mate.

I see your point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that since such technology is highend and exclusive turkey wouldn't need to make concessions like allowing technology transfers. I agree on that had it been the case, thing is the Russians are offering their stuff (which I have...

If you've got any links concerning the distinctions I'd appreciate it if you shared. Thought tech transfer entailed transfering of certain technologies used in the building and development of the hardware to certain extents agreed upon by the negotiating parties (construction methods of some...

Yup it is going full circle, using the same argument despite being refuted three times in three different ways is a waste for both parties time. Have a good one pal.

Hold on. When I say tech transfer what do you think I mean exactly? Lol. Pretty certain I didn't mean how to make the thing from the first rivet to the last integrated circuit. I know the country's limitations and restrictions, the point was about having turkey contribute in building up the...

Your premise was: Algeria needs us hence they're in the inferior place. My reply was such thing doesn't exist since both function on the basis of mutual interest. After that you moved the goal post to such mutual interests don't mean a 5th gen fighter. Well this is up for the negotiations...

2-my guy, acceptence of the fact that what comes bellow you can cost your proverbial knees with next to no losses for him sort of completely refutes the basis for the food chain argument.

100% agree here, the stuff you're talking about are technicalities that are determined by the negotiating parties, my qualm was about the complete rejection of technical cooperation in this regard and viewing it as a "taking advantage of" or a detriment to the offering state which is completely...

Not necessarily, you've got examples all over the world for that on every level, sure it's not as prevalent with aeronautics but it exists (Chinese and their j-35 being offered with tech transfer prospects, India and the su-30, you guys and your f-16s with the Americans and your altay tank with...

1-eh m not sure what you mean by understood because I only reaffirmed a previously made point, but alright mate sure thing. 2-You really like your natgeo analogies eh lol. Alright bud let's call it a food chain. Still won't change the fact that the two countries both got mutual interests which...

1-I agree on the first part 100%, second part however, that would've been the case had turkey been the only weapons producer and technology offerer in the world, my whole point was made based on who can offer more. 2-Sure turkey makes top notch drones which our purchase was the biggest proof...

Appreciate it mate but this is neither chest beating nor chauvinism from my side this is mere different angle take, you should feel happy more are willingly tying themselves to your industry and engineering that would keep them both long time costumers and willing allies. I do understand...

I'll be talking about Algeria since it's the one I know best about. -with the Germans we've got a bunch of joint ventures like hensoldt for electrics/optronics, with rhinemetall we've got local assumbly/ manufacturing project for fuch and boxer one the fuch 2 contract expires. -with the...

1-Armament isn't tied to technology and cash exclusively. Fact that the world is separated to two main camps with each sporting a distinct armament type should make it plenty clear.(more of a geopolitical card). 2-no one said it's on open buffet, quite the opposite, what I am saying is turkey...