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Well , kidnapping was a harsh words . Please , don't slander the Indonesia reputation here bruh ... It's just a short time visitation tour after all . All the lodging and food are provided for too . Between some " bonding moment " with electrical apliances , wooden chair and some orchestrated...

Would somebody kindly pointing our @Philips brother here on what is the real meaning of Black Luxio/Avanza express really is ... I'm give up ... 😭😭

What would you expect then ?? Juminten tracking system ?? Monitor and analisa ... It wouldn't be further than that !! 🙄🙄

And yet some people just doesn't get it ... 🙄🙄 Well , look like those message doesn't get sended or interpreted correctly ... For most of Indonesian that was an Instant recipe for a fun ride in the black Luxio express

It was been said before and i'll said it again ... There could be only 1 item from US . Either F 16 or F 15 but never both . That's alone allready send our message across the pond very clearly .

The US will definitely block such scenario . The last thing US would ever wish is another rising power drifting away from their sphere . Not to mention the Indonesia and Turkey was a natural born ally even with all both of their current reluctance , economic disparity and political baggages . (...

If this Phil's deal get through somehow it could tilt our current backroom dealing isn't ?? Off course some candies are definitely would get thrown around to greaseing the process because somehow i get the impression thing haven't been really finalized as yet .

Nobody deny that ... But , still even deep down inside , you are still reluctant to accept those F 35 . Jumping straight from 4th G to 5 G requires not only a massive of technological investment it also requires a certain change of mind setting . Which most of us who know our AF top brasses...

Are you seriously comparing us with the US ?? One who has been world wide sales marketing and dictate 80 % the technological trend compared to us who barely make anything we need on our own ?? Really ...? Reality check here pal !!! We are sorely under their whim .economic and technology ...

And brother ... All of those brilliant ideas are needed a commitment and efforts for it to become manifested reality . With a different regimes and different political agendas hijacked with a corruptional intentions all of those Indonesian potential are squandered away . We have too much...

Dude , while i shared the sentiment . The time isn't ripe as yet .... What Indonesia lack is never money , brain power , technoogical means nor a die hard fanatic potential . What we lacked is mostly commitment . Do you think all of this corrupted environment couldn't be dealt with within decade...

I wished things are that simple and clear cut as you presummed to be . Even Sokor , Turkey and Japan had to bleeds deep just trying to earn that licensing grants . And they were allready acknowlegded as an Ally and bleeds their soldier for an american causes . We were never gonna earn the same...

Between prestige and strategic technological parity importance .... Any other reason could be added in between . And mind you .... i sincerely think F 35 was a luxury we couldn't afford right now . Then again ... I'm just an enthusiast . The only logical reason for such number would 1...

When you sit up far high in the totem pole . All this mass hysteria and hypes wass allready prepared to be " cooked " for their own financial and political agenda advancement . While we plebs are busily drowned in the consumarism wave frantically try to plug the leaks.. C'est la vie.... ☕☕

The program was there . The execution of said program were was the problem . Between minimal funding availability and dubious operator agency conducting the research ....hence the abysmall result... Atleast my hopes don't get high and dry ... 🛀🛀

Tell that to 08 !!! In case you haven't notice as yet we've been in this discussion for months !! Yet , it was his prerogative who seal the deal !! Tucano was overkill for them .... Papuan operation is a high terrain Jungle guerilla warfare at it finest . Be it in tactical learnings or real...

It's a political suicide move for any indonesian politician . And we haven't backed to the corner as yet to make it worthwhile in any political or strategical consideration . Make no mistake .... The option was always available on the table regardles whatever images they are try to pitch in...

Well , while i hate to bring a rain on all of this parades . Between good plannings and mostly our botched execution in the reality . I'm still holding on to an old formil adage ... ... Seeing is believing ... When there is a will there always a way ... 🛀🛀

Well , the word kosher there has to be meaning something isn't ?? Rather than paranoia .... We are simply too just densentized and too laid back for our own good . Non Aligned in every sense of the words . We just want to be left alone .We believe in no body which in return everybody won't...

Double edged was always worrying indeed . Too bad we lack a much off a better neutral provider ...