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I just wish that we could get like 20-40 of these to know what we are up against when it comes down to a fight as most of the electronics would be the same. We could test our own radars etc to develop counter strategies and techniques.

There’s not going to be a downgraded F35 the only thing Saudi F35 will miss compared to Israeli F35 is the Israeli EW suite (which only Israel has for its own jets) and the access to the source Code which only the US and Israel have. But it basically be the same jet the Americans and the rest...

i think it was just the barrel not the hole gun

Murat ikinci Said that Kizilelma will be able to use 300 ER. I’m wondering if he means this version or the future twin engine/20.000 Lbs Engine Version?

Kizilelma flight test with Gökdogan BVR missile (no idea if’s the real thing or just a prop)

What does Autonomous mean?

I think some of you guys are comparing Kizilelma with akinci and that is not right. Kizilelma is not going to be remotely controlled al the time it's will get its mission and operation guidelines and will operate mostly autonomous its closer to the F16Vista than Akinci or tb2. That doesn't...

Drop a link to the site please? Also what does this mean in terms of progress in the projects?

Did they use airburst ammunition the 50cal looked like delayed open (fuze) with small pellets inside that open after it left the barrel. The 20mm was airburst or at least proxy fuze.

That IIR/TV looks very different from earlier models. Perhaps a cheaper seeker that is good enough for mam L and other rather short range cheap weapons maybe even for cirit then we would have an equal to APKWS II

Gezgin is interesting as it says testing and because its ALCM as well as a LACM And Tayfun has at least 4 variants with ranges between 600 and 1000-2000km Cenk Submarine launched!!!

Nice comparison

Wouldn't make sense in terms of finance. Low potential of foreign sales also Turaf doesn't expect an embargo on Logistics equipment

Looks like replacement is coming earlier than we thought hopefully. C390 looking good now maybe some extra a400m plus new tankers. Overall it looks like airforce will need to completely overhaul their logistics fleet. Ideal layout 2040: 15 A400m 10-15 c390 15 c130j/E 50-60 cn 235 10-15 a330 mrtt

Yes but currently the only short range systems I know of are korkut

I mean the system it self not the missiles and aselsan doesn’t produce the missiles.

There isn't really a difference between siper battery 1 and 2 only the missiles are different but those are ordered from roketsan not aselsan. We didn't just get 4 systems we also got two radars alp300g/100g and usually the radars are the most expensive thing in ad system. Siper would be at...

With cost of siper being less than 150 million per unit and hisar being less than 50 million these orders should cover most of our needs. But I’m wondering how many orders has roketsan received

2023 about 600 million euros. 2024 up to 1 billion euros. 2025 September 1.65 billion euros. 2025 November 1.1 billion euros. In total 4.35 billion euros for missiles and batteries as well as stand alone radars(Alp300/100). As far as I can see the only order that has been delivered is the one...