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In case of Turkey would go to force that 72 hour plan that Russians had for Ukraine to take Kyiv and change regime. But in this case Turkey would be in Moscow in 72 hours and would change regime.

@blackjack, you really believe that 'glorious' Russian history that even FSB let's their interns to push it forward. Any nation in their history had a peek of their civilization. As for crushing maybe you are young But Dzhokhar Dudayev took a really good piss at this 'super power' 2 times. And...

Russia for the last 20 years, fell easily into traps of the "West", with west I mean mostly Americans and British. The same playbook that they have used for the last 50-60 years. When they encourage the corruption and criminalization of the elites of one country. Corruption brings enormous...

Like can I ask you a personal question? What is your level of education? Where do you see that German actions are directed towards Turkey in this particular case? It just affects Turkey and Hungary

My condolences to the people of Turkey. May god give you patience

@blackjack But you are okay that the wealth of the all country to be stolen from a bunch thieves who try to behave like gangsters? Interesting logic and kind of patriotism. I don't get, why you care how much I pay for gas, when my yearly income is +250k

@blackjack, after reading your comments and understood your logic, no wonder why putin together with other thieves around him are still in power :ROFLMAO:

@blackjack I explained you the logic of causalities how it works in a war and when someone with particular experience give's you a free tip, say thank you than trying to give counter argument. And to be honest I didn't even read all the post except first lines. I strongly believe you are not...

@blackjack, I think you really don't know and understand the science and art of war. In this case there's no propaganda from neither side. In principle the invading force is always +20% in losses. Who has studied in Military Academy and taken part in any wars here can confirm. I have both and...

Congrats Türkiye and all Turkish friends. :):)

They all interfere some in different way and some in different ones, they are ALL eggs from the same basket. I replied to your first comment just because you told ALL except Turkey & Russia and China does not.

@Ryder Maybe for Turkey I would agree but seriously China and Russia? You really meant that? You cannot find a single Russia's neighbor or 'partner' that they don't try to dictate something. Same goes for China. Btw don't think I'm somewhat 'protecting' the west they are all in the same basket...

Evidence or otherwise it didn't happen. If we see Russia's claims for TB2, they destroyed more than 300 pcs. Which Baykar wished had the capacity to produce.

Hi to all from Vienna :giggle::giggle::coffee: