Altay & Turkish Main Battle Tank Programs

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Looking for employees for BMC ALTAY
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BMC Savunma Sanayi ve Ticaret Anonim Şirketi, who is responsible for the mass production of the national main battle tank ALTAY, is looking for employees to participate in the ALTAY project.

According to the information obtained, BMC Savunma Sanayi ve Ticaret A.Ş., all for the ALTAY project; Looking for employees in the fields of Project Engineer, Project Manager, Contract Management Manager and Contract Management Specialist. BMC Defense Industry and Trade Inc. More than 3000 people have already applied for the aforementioned job openings on 08.24.2020.
ALTAY tank series production project.

Serial production contract for the Altay reservoir; It was signed on Friday, November 9, 2018 during an official ceremony held at the Presidency of the Defense Industry (SSB).

Under the project, where mass production of 250 Altay main battle tanks was planned, the first tank was to be delivered to the Land Forces Command after 18 months. However, at that time, a sag occurred due to power problems in the electrical system.
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In the statement of the president of defense industry DEMİR last month, “Studies are continuing in two different power groups. We are talking about a process in which these works are placed on top of each other and not only the power system, but also a series of its components are developed together. In this sense, our companies have established a certain competence and acquired knowledge. On the other hand, they brought certain collaborations to a certain maturity, in particular in terms of earlier start of production from the reservoir. The maturity level is very good, but I don't want to say it until the final signings are signed and announced. However, I can say that we are at a good point.

Additionally, we actually have a small number of aftermarket engines available. Starting with these, we will go into a specific tank manufacturing process. These will be produced until the other local solution is activated. "statements have been included.
 

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This project is very critical for us. Just because we have no battle survival tank without 160 Sabra. But they are have bad armour againts apfsds.

Leopard 2a4 era + composite modernization finished they are modernized now with aselsan sarp + aselsan pulat active protection system + 360 degree yamgöz and lazer receivers.

They have now enough range to resist 120 L/55 and they can penetrate Leo2 hel with L-44 + Dm-63 Ammo.

Almost All Leo2a4's will modernize. 340 Leo2Tr + 170 M-60 Sabra TM Fırat (Last Modernized) = 500 3.5 th Gen tanks. And also altay will coming.
 

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This project is very critical for us. Just because we have no battle survival tank without 160 Sabra. But they are have bad armour againts apfsds.

Leopard 2a4 era + composite modernization finished they are modernized now with aselsan sarp + aselsan pulat active protection system + 360 degree yamgöz and lazer receivers.

They have now enough range to resist 120 L/55 and they can penetrate Leo2 hel with L-44 + Dm-63 Ammo.

Almost All Leo2a4's will modernize. 340 Leo2Tr + 170 M-60 Sabra TM Fırat (Last Modernized) = 500 3.5 th Gen tanks. And also altay will coming.
I thought more than 170 M60s have been modernized? Don't we have almost 1000 M60s in our inventory, of which the 170 Sabra were modernized years ago? So have they been modernized again? Or have there been only 170 further modernizations to the M60 TM?

And you mustn't forget the modernizations of the Leo 1 Volkan alias Leopard 1T from Aselsan 2010
 

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This project is very critical for us. Just because we have no battle survival tank without 160 Sabra. But they are have bad armour againts apfsds.

Leopard 2a4 era + composite modernization finished they are modernized now with aselsan sarp + aselsan pulat active protection system + 360 degree yamgöz and lazer receivers.

They have now enough range to resist 120 L/55 and they can penetrate Leo2 hel with L-44 + Dm-63 Ammo.

Almost All Leo2a4's will modernize. 340 Leo2Tr + 170 M-60 Sabra TM Fırat (Last Modernized) = 500 3.5 th Gen tanks. And also altay will coming.

How long will it take to modernize all Leo´s and whats the latest status of the M60A3 upgrades ?
 

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I thought more than 170 M60s have been modernized? Don't we have almost 1000 M60s in our inventory, of which the 170 Sabra were modernized years ago? So have they been modernized again? Or have there been only 170 further modernizations to the M60 TM?

And you mustn't forget the modernizations of the Leo 1 Volkan alias Leopard 1T from Aselsan 2010

Mate, M-60's junk. Real junk . Average apfsds ammo can easily penetrate him also anti tank missile. Also all leopard 1's armour worse than m-60's.

We have only 160 (ten of sabras big probaply hitted) M-60 Sabra Tm Fırat for battle survival and resisted againts atgm's and apfsds . But sabra's slow due his engine and it cant be resisted completly againts higher class 120 mm apfsds ammos. And also yes all sabras modernized in with two package 1. Fırat ( selsan sarp + spall linear + 360 degree yamgöz and lazer receivers. ) and 2 . Tm (aselsan pulat active protection system).

Our only hope without altay is Leopard 2a4's. Just because they have greates 1500 hp engine, 120 mm l-44 gun, and not bad armour againts apfsds tank ammo's. But he's armour not very well againts heat warheaded atgms.

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As you can see tank armour supported two line era blocks from all sides and hull + era blocks againts apfsds + boşluklu zırh (I dont know his english).

So tank now most anti tank resisted + verywell apfsds sabot resisted tank. I hope his front armour now can resist 120 mm L-55 Dm-53 ammo.

First plan is modernizeing 80 tank 170+80 = 250 they would a think creating 250 tanked frist line inventory. Big probaply they think they will start the production of altay until 80 tank modernized but most logical is modernizeing all 340-360 leopard 2a4 and creating 160 Sabra + 340 Leopard 2Tr = 500 battle survival tank fleet + 500 modernized acv-15 with acv-15 project + 2x omtas launcher (most important)

That will save our Mechanized fleet until Altay.
 

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Mate, M-60's junk. Real junk . Average apfsds ammo can easily penetrate him also anti tank missile. Also all leopard 1's armour worse than m-60's.

We have only 160 (ten of sabras big probaply hitted) M-60 Sabra Tm Fırat for battle survival and resisted againts atgm's and apfsds . But sabra's slow due his engine and it cant be resisted completly againts higher class 120 mm apfsds ammos. And also yes all sabras modernized in with two package 1. Fırat ( selsan sarp + spall linear + 360 degree yamgöz and lazer receivers. ) and 2 . Tm (aselsan pulat active protection system).

Our only hope without altay is Leopard 2a4's. Just because they have greates 1500 hp engine, 120 mm l-44 gun, and not bad armour againts apfsds tank ammo's. But he's armour not very well againts heat warheaded atgms.

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As you can see tank armour supported two line era blocks from all sides and hull + era blocks againts apfsds + boşluklu zırh (I dont know his english).

So tank now most anti tank resisted + verywell apfsds sabot resisted tank. I hope his front armour now can resist 120 mm L-55 Dm-53 ammo.

First plan is modernizeing 80 tank 170+80 = 250 they would a think creating 250 tanked frist line inventory. Big probaply they think they will start the production of altay until 80 tank modernized but most logical is modernizeing all 340-360 leopard 2a4 and creating 160 Sabra + 340 Leopard 2Tr = 500 battle survival tank fleet + 500 modernized acv-15 with acv-15 project + 2x omtas launcher (most important)

That will save our Mechanized fleet until Altay.
You got me wrong, bro -
The question was, of 1000 (I know that they are old and junk), only 170 of them already upgraded Sabra 3 have been further upgraded to M60TM?

And apart from the armor, the modernization of the Leo 1 Volkan seems to be very promising - the question is, can't active armor also be integrated there?
After all, the M60 weighs about 50T with 750PS, and the Leo 1 about 42T with 830PS...

Couldn't the turret and armor be changed here too?
I mean 105mm is quite 'weak' - nevertheless, could you still use the base - use a new cannon?

The Sabra has 1000 hp, but the Volkan can also be used as a gap filler, right?

 
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You got me wrong, bro -
The question was, of 1000 (I know that they are old and junk), only 170 of them already upgraded Sabra 3 have been further upgraded to M60TM?

And apart from the armor, the modernization of the Leo 1 Volkan seems to be very promising - the question is, can't active armor also be integrated there?
After all, the M60 weighs about 50T with 750PS, and the Leo 1 about 42T with 830PS...

Couldn't the turret and armor be changed here too?
I mean 105mm is quite 'weak' - nevertheless, could you still use the base - use a new cannon?

The Sabra has 1000 hp, but the Volkan can also be used as a gap filler, right?



Bro yes Leopard 1 is less weighted but this orginated his lower armour againts m-60's

Look ;

That İs M-60's armor resistance map

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And thats leopard 1;

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M-60 is better. Yes we can add him a extra armour but that cant save his from ultimate penetration of 120 mm l/44-55 dm43 or higher class apfsds. Leopard 1 platform cant carry a engine and armour who can resistable againts 120 mm l/44-55 dm43 or higher class apfsds.

Behind the idea of m-60a3t1 project (not sabra) turning old m-60 a little modern tank with heat anti tank resistance. With this way our m60's can resist terrorist atgm's. They know M-60a3t1 cant resist modern tanks.

And last one yes leopard 1t upgrade good for when fighting old soviet t-55's and t-62's or greek m-48 molf.
 

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Bro yes Leopard 1 is less weighted but this orginated his lower armour againts m-60's

Look ;

That İs M-60's armor resistance map

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And thats leopard 1;

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M-60 is better. Yes we can add him a extra armour but that cant save his from ultimate penetration of 120 mm l/44-55 dm43 or higher class apfsds. Leopard 1 platform cant carry a engine and armour who can resistable againts 120 mm l/44-55 dm43 or higher class apfsds.

Behind the idea of m-60a3t1 project (not sabra) turning old m-60 a little modern tank with heat anti tank resistance. With this way our m60's can resist terrorist atgm's. They know M-60a3t1 cant resist modern tanks.

And last one yes leopard 1t upgrade good for when fighting old soviet t-55's and t-62's or greek m-48 molf.

Okay, you can see that the front is less armored - the sides and the top - have similar strengths and classes, right? I only ask because it seems like the whole Leo 1T project was wasted money.
The integration of a more powerful engine would therefore be nonsensical, in your opinion?
Aren't we able to raise more M60s and Leo 1Ts - similar to Israel - to Sabra level? Or do we lack the technology here? Hardly - apart from the engine, are control systems, towers, cannons, and armor within the scope of the possible?
 

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They should also paint them as multi terrain camouflage, its not just the southeast which needs attention looking at greece
 

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The upgrade package came out better then i thought. I was shocked when they showed that picture with the Green armor which is was hideous and completely ineffective. It does miss some minor upgrades which are completely neccesary like remote controlled turret, laser warning systems and active protection systems but no doubt those will be implemented. Its an awesome addition to our inventory, it would be even better to upgrade all of the fleet considering our Altays will probably be delayed and/or be produced in such a rate that it will take a while to create a decent number of it.

Anyone knows what the status is about the domestic upgrade package for M60A3's? (the ones that arent Sabra model)
 

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Wii be there lwr, rcw, aps on Leo upgrade?

Yeah, modernization program includes Yamgoz( Close Range Surveillance System), LWS, Sarp RWS, Pulat APS etc. These systems became the standard of modernization programs.
 
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