Azerbaijan Armenia Tensions

[Xenon54]

It is a throughgoing mistake to allow Russians in your way to victory. Why on earth would you concede while you have the upper hand? The only option should have been the allowance of Russians inside Armenian territories and Turkish troops on the opposite side to prevent further clashes.

Win on the battlefield, loose on the negotiation table, a never ending Turkish story.

 

[BordoEnes]

Win on the battlefield, loose on the negotiation table, a never ending Turkish story.

Imma use this as my signiture lmao. This is far to real to not use.

 

[what]

Why are people still arguing about the status of NK, when Aliyev has said loud and clear that there wont be any special status?

5 years of Russian patrols to pave the re-integration of the Armenians in NK into Azerbaijan. AZ has 5 years to go and then the country will be free of any foreign influence. In the meantime it can build infrastructure and defense in the newly liberated areas close to the Armenian border so they can't bum rush the area in case shit hits the fan again.

Roads, railroads, and more will now connect Azerbaijan to Nakhchivan and Turkey. Meaning further economic integration of both countries. I'm looking forward to lasting peace and a Free Trade Agreement between both countries and even more thus eventually creating a single market with a population of 100m people (almost TR has 82m, AZ has almost 10m).

 

[Saithan]

Azerbaycan Cumhurbaşkanı İlham Aliyev anlaşma şartlarını açıkladı

Azerbaycan'ın Ermenistan'ın işgali altında bulunan Karabağ'daki topraklarını savaş meydanında bir bir kazanmasının ardından Ermenistan teslim oldu.

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7 - Mecburi göçmenler işgalden kurtarılan bölgelere BM Mülteciler yüksek komiserliği denetimi altında yerleştirilecek.

In theory this means the Armenians can come back and live, but this also means Azerbaycan can go back to the lands they fled and live. So just thinking would 100.000 Azerbaycani live in Hankendi, a majority, and would gain control of the city ?

 

[the]

Initially this seemed like a reasonable deal.


But the more you think about it, the only country really gaining from this is RUSSIA.


If Azerbaijan had continued the operation, chances are that Khankendi (Stepanakert) would have eventually been liberated (whether this would be in early 2021 or later due to weather conditions). From there onwards the focus would be securing the Northern parts of NK.

OUTCOME: Azerbaijan retakes all of NK.

However, under this agreement Azerbaijan would control about 85% of NK, with the capital under Russian control. The only real benefit AZ gets out of this is the Nakcivan connection. But even this is under Russian customs control, so I would assume only certain products can be traded.

OUTCOME: AZ controls 85% of NK
AZ gains restricted Nakcivan connection.
Russia gains the legal basis to hold troops and military equipment on internationally recognised AZ soil.

Given such Turkish involvment its rather surprising how little they have benefitted from this conflict. (Of course political prestige, but nothing "physically". At the end of the day, this wasn't Turkey's war but rather one of its close allies/brothers. We could expect a separate agreement between AZ-TR; but in terms of a peace keeping force in NK , only Russian troops will be stationed. The only other obvious explanation would be that TR has brokered some sort of agreement with RUS to authorise another operation in Northern Syria where the Syrian Army do not have control.

 

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1326153421179805698

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1326153418768080898

 

[Deliorman]

Why are people still arguing about the status of NK, when Aliyev has said loud and clear that there wont be any special status?

5 years of Russian patrols to pave the re-integration of the Armenians in NK into Azerbaijan. AZ has 5 years to go and then the country will be free of any foreign influence. In the meantime it can build infrastructure and defense in the newly liberated areas close to the Armenian border so they can't bum rush the area in case shit hits the fan again.

Roads, railroads, and more will now connect Azerbaijan to Nakhchivan and Turkey. Meaning further economic integration of both countries. I'm looking forward to lasting peace and a Free Trade Agreement between both countries and even more thus eventually creating a single market with a population of 100m people (almost TR has 82m, AZ has almost 10m).

Keep believing in fairytales... without Turkish troops on the ground close to the Russian “peacekeepers” nothing of this will ever happen. Russians will never leave this areas ever again (you will see that Armenians won’t leave Aghdam, Kelbejer etc by the end of November too). They will use them to create an Abkhazia 2.0 on Azerbaijani soil. In the meantime they will use the so called peacetime to prompt Armenian forces more and this time Armenoids will attack back under Russian umbrella- the early 90s all over again. That can happen in a week, in a month or in a few years- but it will happen. Be sure about it.

If the agreements signed last night are really ever implemented and the Russians really leave Hankendi in 2025 I will cut my dick!

 

[Costin84]

Where Russian "peacekeepers " move in,you can say goobye to your national territory. Just ask Georgia, Ukraine and Moldova about it.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1326153421179805698

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1326153418768080898

If Armenia wants to survive, they have to know their place and put their expansionist ambitious aside. It was proved that the world doesn’t turn around them. When a war break out, They can’t be saved by anybody so It is correct time to be a good boy of the region and respect the rulers of the region instead of spreading hatred against Turks. Noone needs Armenia but Armenia needs everyone in this region so what they need to do is to build their relations based on benefits of their nation. If they keep running behind the utopic dreams such as claiming lands from Turkey and Azerbaijan, It will cause them much bigger destruction in following years.

 

[Gary]

If Armenia wants to survive, they have to know their place and put their expansionist ambitious aside. It was proved that the world doesn’t turn around them. When a war break out, They can’t be saved by anybody so It is correct time to be a good boy of the region and respect the rulers of the region instead of spreading hatred against Turks. Noone needs Armenia but Armenia needs everyone in this region so what they need to do is to build their relations based on benefits of their nation. If they keep running behind the utopic dreams such as claiming lands from Turkey and Azerbaijan, It will cause them much bigger destruction in following years.

true, those money they spent so that they could sit on an occupied territory (this is based in UN reports) only to be decisively defeated, could instead be used to fund schools , roads and stuff.

I don't think Pashinyan (being a reformer) would rebuild the Armenian army to the pre-war level, knowing that it'll have little effect.

 

[Deliorman]

The so-called President of self-proclaimed Republic of Artsakh Arayik Harutyunyan:

It was the hardest night of my life. I don't know how history will judge us about the decision we had yesterday.

Only yesterday we had faced great casualties in Khojavend. This was caused by UAVs.

We had lost a great portion of our land during the conflicts held in past 43 days. The clashes were being occurred only 2-3km away of Stepanakert.

If clashes had continued in this intensity, we would have lost all of the Karabakh with giving great casualties.

We could only resist against UAVs with our air defense systems for several days yet during the last two days the latest technology UAVs had caused us to give great casualties.

 

[Glass🚬]

"the last two days the latest technology UAVs had caused us to give great casualties."

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

The so-called President of self-proclaimed Republic of Artsakh Arayik Harutyunyan:

It was the hardest night of my life. I don't know how history will judge us about the decision we had yesterday.

Only yesterday we had faced great casualties in Khojavend. This was caused by UAVs.

We had lost a great portion of our land during the conflicts held in past 43 days. The clashes were being occurred only 2-3km away of Stepanakert.

If clashes had continued in this intensity, we would have lost all of the Karabakh with giving great casualties.

We could only resist against UAVs with our air defense systems for several days yet during the last two days the latest technology UAVs had caused us to give great casualties.

I don't understand why they lied to their citizens for so long, and all of a sudden they admit that they have been defeated.

I think that this is what triggered such a bad response from the public, who were lied to for the past 40 or so days.

 

[what]

Keep believing in fairytales... without Turkish troops on the ground close to the Russian “peacekeepers” nothing of this will ever happen. Russians will never leave this areas ever again (you will see that Armenians won’t leave Aghdam, Kelbejer etc by the end of November too). They will use them to create an Abkhazia 2.0 on Azerbaijani soil. In the meantime they will use the so called peacetime to prompt Armenian forces more and this time Armenoids will attack back under Russian umbrella- the early 90s all over again. That can happen in a week, in a month or in a few years- but it will happen. Be sure about it.

If the agreements signed last night are really ever implemented and the Russians really leave Hankendi in 2025 I will cut my dick!

You sound pessimistic, I see it optimistic. Let's just hope for the best.

I mean put some Turkish posts between Armenia and NK, boom end of any Armenian dreams. They won't fucking dare. Russia is not that invested in Armenia, they will keep them on a short leash now but other than that I dont expect Russia to stay for longer then asked for. They will probably never leave Armenia, but will be out of AZ and NK in 5 years.

 

[Gary]

There's a lot that could happen in 5 years.

I don't know why stop when you're winning.

 

[Saithan]

I really hope Russians aren’t allowed to have base in Susa. That would be a mistake.

 

[Saithan]

There's a lot that could happen in 5 years.

I don't know why stop when you're winning.

That is what everyone is thinking....

 

[Gary]

That is what everyone is thinking....

They should've finished it once and for all, do you guys think Armenia will just sit down down during those 5 years?

If anything happened in those 5 years I'm afraid this would be a great regret for all you guys for not having it all while you can.

 

[Vergennes]

I don't know why anyone here trust the Russians and their agreements,seems like what happened in Syria and elsewhere didn't serve as lesson. The "agreements" the Russians are signing are worth less than toilet paper.

 

[Gary]

Especially Stepanakert, I don't understand why would you let them hold on to the main population center in the entire NK while you have largerly desolate and abandoned villages?