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Oops, sorry @Rooxbar . I didn't read that part.😅
No but genuinely I'm very interested in revolutions and mass movements and conditions that help them work or fail.

Have there been like constant protesting for the past years or was this quite a sudden thing? Sorry, but I have not been following news that much recently, so I ask because only if the army and the police get caught off-guard, they would let 1 million people gather like that; otherwise they would have plans to not let the different groups from different routes congregate, and disperse them beforehand, even before they can create a crowd by heavy presence from early hours and blocking of gatherings of multiple people, a sort of implicit martial law. So that way you don't need to resort to heavy fire later against a million people; heavy armed forces presence in the streets is a huge preventive force which also crushes morale and many decide against protesting after going out to do so.

Also what's the plan now? is it just a change of admin and elections or do the students want to change the system?
 

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No but genuinely I'm very interested in revolutions and mass movements and conditions that help them work or fail.

Have there been like constant protesting for the past years or was this quite a sudden thing? Sorry, but I have not been following news that much recently, so I ask because only if the army and the police get caught off-guard, they would let 1 million people gather like that; otherwise they would have plans to not let the different groups from different routes congregate, and disperse them beforehand, even before they can create a crowd by heavy presence from early hours and blocking of gatherings of multiple people, a sort of implicit martial law. So that way you don't need to resort to heavy fire later against a million people; heavy armed forces presence in the streets is a huge preventive force which also crushes morale and many decide against protesting after going out to do so.

Also what's the plan now? is it just a change of admin and elections or do the students want to change the system?

Sorry, this deserves a detailed answer. I will come back to you later. I still hasn't got the chance to listen to the President's speech. Important thing are happening right now as we speak. He just dissolved the Perliament.
 

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President's speech. (in Bangla)

*Dissolving the Perliament.

*Immediate Release of all arrested protesters and political prisoners.

*Immediate Release of BNP chairperson Khaleda zia. (Main opposition leader, former democratically elected prime minister)

*Promising justice for the martyrs.

*Promising compensation for families of the martyrs.

*Promising formation of interim government within days.
 

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The evil has fled! People have won their freedom in a epic liberation struggle. Let's go Bangladesh! 🔥🔥

@Kartal1 @TR_123456 @Sanchez @Yasar_TR @Nilgiri and just about everyone.

Mixed feelings.

SHW time to go was clearly overdue. Every problem is not a nail for her to flex the same hammer on....but she has long gone into a shell o ultra-defensive mode pscyhologically and deploy easiest levers at reach rather than work each issue in its proper context and in proper tiers first to resolve (and earn better credibility from BD people in win win way as well - something lost to her in her "family, political tribe first" complex).

Even with that in mind, its ridiculous looking back now her response strategy in the space of time from original high court ruling (pro-quota) to the one month or so later when the supreme court overruled the lower court and brought the quota to nominal single % like it was before (after the last flare up in 2018? regd it when SHW and/or court first brought it down to that new low level from earlier inertia of 30% or 40% whatever it was ever since liberation war conclusion and downstream it turning into a front for typical big BAL nepotism scam etc). Earlier in her tenure she was lot more tactful in comparison, things had frayed in this late stage by accumulation of all kind of missed opportunities though it must be said.....and the whole propaganda spiel to plaster over it each time.

BD friend of mine cleared up to me (I was unsure) that she did communicate the SC would rule against it and to wait for their ruling etc. But the deployment of chetona, chatra league goons and then police and some say units of army too to hammer the protestors (given large avenue of other ways to defuse far more reasonably) that way during that month was incompetent and like you say evil.

Then the blood spilled left its consequence that could not be made right for the protestors (who increased their demands wanting ministers responsible for the police brutality to resign and SHW to apologise - pretty reasonable if you ask me) and SHW buckled down even more in defensive mode as the ego dictated to her internally a long time.

Then both sides went all in regd this latest round and ultimately the BD army sensed the pendulum had shifted sufficiently to make its machiavellian move from its half in- half out testing water stance in the earlier bloodbaths.....and changed the terms of the working arrangement worked out with SHW/BAL ever since the BDR mutiny in 2009.

In annals of history the crucial details will never be resolved and held accountable to degree required to pass judgement on BD army role here. It has long been the case regd 1971 to begin with,...the partials vs the complicits, what are the definitive conclusions versus the greyness regd the BD army "new formative re-org" and its uneasiness in SMR tenunre, its role in SMR assassination, army role during Ziaur's tenure, Ziaur's own assassination, junta greyness, Ershad tenure and then post Ershad era when elections were commenced again to bring in the contours of the current arc and again the BD army role w.r.t "working arrangements" each tenure in all that too as state of comprehensive institutional heft and civilian oversight of it....is again partial and a grey area in the end.

I empathise somewhat with your transient joy on this. But I know it will be transient one as you are an intelligent astute and keen one, esp for your age IMO....and you will see and judge whatever comes in the months and years ahead to judge and analyse.

The deep problem is the deep political dysfunction of Bangladesh....that makes these things transient....as far too many things that should be solid in its core....are tenuous and deeply unresolved.

Sad because the bulk of BD people that like any other people in the world largely are transactional with politics (rather than being deeply ideological about it to some nutty degree)....and deserve a lot better. But these are the circumstances baked in....there is no clear way, there is no manna drop out of the political dysfunction that produces the characters like SHW and all the equivalents in other large power centers of BD.
 

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They did not fire live rounds on people like police and BAL thugs.

Are we sure about that? This is grey area, I will have to gather an analyse all the footage (whatever surfaced past the blackouts/curfews etc) and what people are shouting etc later, or some observers hopefully will.

Army had certainly made up its mind (in this latest round) once it realised the pendulum had shifted in the raw size of the movement. But its earlier participation, that remains to be analysed IMO. Guess I will wait and see/deep dive later in year about it.

Unforunately w.r.t BD, these things get very murky in general. The army has a signficant role in the power dispensation at all times since 1971 (well before it too, when it was the previous setup).
 

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And if

Bangladesh has no single founding father in the true sense. He had his contribution. But after independence he turned into evil dictator. Which ended tragically for him.

That is not proper summary. You know better. Evil?

Look there is reason folks like "Bengal71" have always had SMR as their DP....and there are massive threads about his life analysed in old PDF archives.

There is a reason Joe got upset earlier in day about seeing this too. He told me only 3 - 4 generations later "as always" they'll figure out what they have done.

SMR had his flaws, BAKSAL decision definitely was a big one.

But during the crunch issue of 71....before, during and after he played the cards he got pretty much the best way they could be. It was important.

Overall nothing that deserved the way he died and his whole family wiped out except the 2 daughters. Just like Ziaur also did not deserve the end he got.

Those attacking and pulling down his statues represent something pretty foul in BD. BD best resolve it as rush of blood/anger to head and see it off. Its larger people are wise and cognisant enough about SMR role in their country I feel.

If not and these things stick, you are starting new phases of something you do not want to entrench. I can tell you that right now.
 
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The pressing point now is one of law and order during interim govt/regime.

There is huge loss of trust in the police given the last few months.

Mob violence is increasing in spots, is there supposed to be some kind of martial law or will police be used anyway and "forget things for a while"? etc

Rest of 2024 for BD will involve lot of these things in end. The costs of various kinds too from getting it wrong or insufficient.
 

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Are we sure about that? This is grey area, I will have to gather an analyse all the footage (whatever surfaced past the blackouts/curfews etc) and what people are shouting etc later, or some observers hopefully will.

I am talking about shoot to kill. Army fired more than a thousand rounds in open in the last week to control the protests, as was confirmed by the chief of stuff.

However, some officers did fire directly. (With backing from government) apperantly, the specific commander has been taken for the court martial last night.
 

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That is not proper summary. You know better. Evil?

Look there is reason folks like "Bengal71" have always had SMR as their DP....and there are massive threads about his life analysed in old PDF archives.

There is a reason Joe got upset earlier in day about seeing this too. He told me only 3 - 4 generations later "as always" they'll figure out what they have done.

SMR had his flaws, BAKSAL decision definitely was a big one.

But during the crunch issue of 71....before, during and after he played the cards he got pretty much the best way they could be. It was important.

Overall nothing that deserved the way he died and his whole family wiped out except the 2 daughters. Just like Ziaur also did not deserve the end he got.

Oh that's totally right. Him and definitely his family did not deserve to die the way they did. I mean, kids were innocent.

And he was Probably not that evil. But I saw too many innocent blood being spilled by his daughter today. It's get much harder to remain objective when you are in the streets. (I was out until 7:30)

I will calm down tomorrow or the day after.
 

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I am talking about shoot to kill. Army fired more than a thousand rounds in open in the last week to control the protests, as was confirmed by the chief of stuff.

However, some officers did fire directly. (With backing from government) apperantly, the specific commander has been taken for the court martial last night.

Ok will wait. From my memory of previous important events of BD, generally I need to give 1 year time to settle to begin with.

Oh well "chill bangladesh" thread is not going to be so chill for quite some time. Or maybe we should move all this to BD politics thread or some new thread specific to this very important topic as it concerns a very large ongoing fulcrum point for BD in years to come.
 

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The pressing point now is one of law and order during interim govt/regime.

There is huge loss of trust in the police given the last few months.

Mob violence is increasing in spots, is there supposed to be some kind of martial law or will police be used anyway and "forget things for a while"? etc

I mean, curfew is still in place. problem is, you need BGB or army to cover everywhere. Because police has disappeared completely. Not a single police person is out in Dhaka. And it's a large city. I think it will return to normal tomorrow or the day after.
 

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So, it seems redditors are treating us like subhuman religious fundamentalist animals who revolted against and ousted a champion of tolerance, secularism and feminism and almost on our way to become Afghanistan. Like wtf?
 

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I go to Eddinburgh over weekend and you decide to topple your government.... We need a thread for a run-up-down on what lead to the protests, and the result.

There is too much silence as I see it and not enough coverage.
 

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So, it seems redditors are treating us like subhuman religious fundamentalist animals who revolted against and ousted a champion of tolerance, secularism and feminism and almost on our way to become Afghanistan. Like wtf?
redditors are usually the lowest of scums. racist, ignorant and stupid.
 

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@TR_123456 @Kartal1 could you make a new thread 'Bangladesh student's revolution' move the contents there?
 
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