Canada suspends exports of military drone technology to Turkey

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Foreign affairs minister says move is in response to reports about Canadian drone tech in combat

The federal government is suspending the export of sophisticated Canadian drone technology to Turkey while Ottawa investigates claims that it is being used by the Azerbaijani military against Armenian forces in Nagorno-Karabakh, Foreign Affairs Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne said Monday.

Champagne was responding to calls by Canada's Armenian community and the disarmament group Ploughshares International to stop the export of Canadian drone optics and laser targeting systems to Turkey following reports that Ankara has deployed dozens of unmanned aircraft in combat against Armenian forces in the breakaway Nagorno-Karabakh region of Azerbaijan.

Kelsey Gallagher, an expert with Project Ploughshares who has studied exports of Canadian drone technology to Turkey, said these sensors are used by Turkish TB2 Bayraktar combat drones, allowing them to see what's happening on the ground day and night, in all weather conditions.

Armenia has accused Turkey of using TB2 Bayraktar combat drones left behind in Azerbaijan following recent joint exercises to pummel Armenian forces from the air, collect intelligence and direct artillery and missile fire at both military positions and civilian infrastructure.

Armenia also has accused Turkey of redeploying fighters from Syria to support Azerbaijani forces. Turkey has denied sending people or arms to the conflict.

Champagne's department to 'assess the situation'
"Over the last several days, certain allegations have been made regarding Canadian technology being used in the military conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh," Champagne said in a statement, adding that he directed officials at Global Affairs Canada to investigate those claims as soon as they were made.

"In line with Canada's robust export control regime and due to the ongoing hostilities, I have suspended the relevant export permits to Turkey, so as to allow time to further assess the situation."

Nagorno-Karabakh lies inside Azerbaijan but has been under the control of ethnic Armenian forces backed by Armenia since it declared independence from Azerbaijan in 1991 during the breakup of the Soviet Union.


Fierce fighting along the entire Line of Contact in Nagorno-Karabakh raged for the ninth consecutive day on Monday, with Armenian authorities reporting heavy bombardment of the region's capital Stepanakert and several other towns. The Armenians reported being hit by cluster bombs that are prohibited by the UN Convention on Cluster Munitions.

The Azerbaijani Defence Ministry, in turn, accused Armenian forces of shelling the towns of Tartar, Barda and Beylagan. Azerbaijan's second-largest city Ganja, located about 100 kilometres north of Nagorno-Karabakh, was also "under fire," officials said.

"Canada continues to be concerned by the ongoing conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh resulting in shelling of communities and civilian casualties," Champagne said.

"We call for measures to be taken immediately to stabilize the situation on the ground and reiterate that there is no alternative to a peaceful, negotiated solution to this conflict."

Speaking at a press conference this morning in Ottawa, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced that he is sending Champagne to Europe "to discuss with our allies the developments in Eastern Europe and the Caucasus, particularly in Nagorno-Karabakh."

Armenia's embassy in Ottawa welcomed Champagne's announcement.

"This acknowledges Turkey's direct involvement in the aggression against the people of Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh) perpetrated by Azerbaijan," Armenia's ambassador in Canada, Anahit Harutyunyan, said in a statement, referring to the Armenian name of Nagorno-Karabakh.

"Only through joint efforts can the international community stop Turkish-supported Azerbaijani aggression, backed by foreign mercenaries, against the vulnerable Armenian population."

Armenian-Canadians want Trudeau to push for ceasefire
Canadian-Armenian community organizations that had lobbied hard to stop military exports to Turkey also welcomed the announcement.

Hagop Arslanian, deputy chairman of the Armenian General Benevolent Union (AGBU) in Canada — one of the largest Armenian community organizations — said the group is "satisfied" with Ottawa's announcement.

"Let it be clear that there is no military resolution to this conflict," Arslanian said.

The Armenian community also wants Trudeau to take on a more active diplomatic role by calling his counterparts in Turkey and Azerbaijan to demand an immediate ceasefire, he added.

"Equally, we want him to call [Armenian] Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan and communicate his support," Arslanian said.

The international community doubled up on its efforts to achieve a ceasefire in Nagorno-Karabakh on Monday.

In a joint statement, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Russian Foreign Affairs Minister Sergey Lavrov and Jean-Yves Le Drian, France's foreign affairs minister, condemned "in the strongest terms the unprecedented and dangerous escalation of violence in and outside of the Nagorno-Karabakh zone."

Turkish and Azerbaijani embassies did not respond to Radio Canada International's request for comment in time for publication.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan insisted on Monday that Turkey will stand with its ally Azerbaijan until it reaches "victory." He also claimed that it was the international community's silence in the face of what he called past Armenian aggression that encouraged it to attack Azerbaijani territory.

"In truth, lending support to Azerbaijan's struggle to liberate territories that have been occupied is the duty of every honourable nation. It is not possible for the world to reach lasting peace and calm without getting rid of bandit states and their bandit leaders," Erdogan said in an address to the nation following a cabinet meeting.

Earlier, Armenia's Pashinyan said "a cease-fire can be established only if Turkey is removed from the South Caucasus."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-turkey-drone-azerbaijan-armenia-1.5751266
 

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Sorry if this was posted already, please inform me and I will delete. Also, mods please move this thread I put in wrong section by accident.
 

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Nope.

On topic:

Thankfully, we have an Aselsan 😊
It will be a big blow nonetheless to Turkish UAV programs. You will need to redesign airframe, and others specifications probably but other members can elaborate more as I don't know much about the signifance of this.
 

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It will be a big blow nonetheless to Turkish UAV programs. You will need to redesign airframe, and others specifications probably but other members can elaborate more as I don't know much about the signifance of this.


Aselsan was designed and manufactured Cats, Dass and Aselflir 400 using an Common Aperature technology, some of them are also used in the field because they are designed in the dimensions of Starsafire and Wescam's products we currently use, but we still don't see it often, there may still be a technical problem.




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BAYKAR did not use a domestically produced EO turret because a proper one was not available during TB2 design and development. The Aselsan ASELFLIR 300-T non-integrated turret used by T129 and ANKA was a readily available high-quality product, but with a total weight of almost 120Kg it was outside the technical envelope of the TB2.



However two next-generation EO turrets Aselsan DASS and Aselsan CATS are lightweight (under 59Kg each) falling within the TB2 technical envelope. Under development for high-end platforms (CATS will be used in AKSUNGUR), one of these technologically advanced turrets may make an excellent choice for an upgraded TB2, should an embargo force this issue.



Thus the proximate arrival of new advanced domestic EO turrets removes WESCAM MX-15D availability as an issue of practical concern. The high end Aselsan turrets may be expensive, but this is inline with the design philosophy of the TB2: a low cost platform with expensive high-end targeting capabilities.



For example:

Technical Specifications [DASS]


Technical Specifications

IR Camera
Sensor Resolution: 1024x768
Wavelength: 3-5 µm (MWIR)
Fields of View (FOVs) (Horizontal):
0.9°- 1.5° - 3° - 16°
HDTV Camera
Sensor Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Fields of View (FOVs) (Horizontal):
0.9°- 1.5° - 3° - 16°
Laser Range Finder Wavelength: 1540 nm
Range: 20 km
Field of Regard (FOR) Azimuth: 360° Continuous
Elevation: +20° to -120°
Communication Interface MIL-STD-1553B, RS-422
Video Interface 2 x SMPTE-292M HD-SDI (1920x 1080p)
1 x PAL
Power Interface 28 VDC
Size Width: < 437 mm
Height: < 520 mm
Weight < 59 kg
Temperature Operating : -40°C to +55°C

Main features

• High Performance Cooled IR Camera
• Full HD Color Day TV Camera
• Eye-Safe Laser Range Finder
• Laser Spot Tracker (Optional)
• SWIR Camera (Optional)
• Spotter Camera (Optional)
• Laser Target Designator (Optional)
• Laser Pointer & Illuminator (Optional)
• Low Light Camera (Optional)
• SWIR Illuminator (Optional)
• Compact and Lightweight Design
• Single LRU System
• Superior Range Performance
• Advanced Image Processing
• Multi Target Tracking
• Accurate Target Geo-Location
• Determination of Coarse and Speed of Moving Target
• Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU)
• Gyroscopic StabilizationTargeting Systems

Applications

• Manned / Unmanned Air Vehicles
• Border / Coast Security
• Long Range Detection, Recognition & Identification


Technical Specifications [CATS]



Technical Specifications

Primary Mirror
Diameter 220 mm
IR Camera
Sensor Resolution: 640x512
Fields of View (FOVs) (Horizontal):
0.5°-0.9°-3.2°-30°
Wavelength: MWIR
HDTV Camera
Sensor Resolution: 1920x1080
Fields of View (FOVs) (Horizontal):
0.5°-0.9°-3.2°-30°
LL-NIR Camera
Sensor Resolution: 640x480
Fields of View (FOVs) (Horizontal):
0.5°-0.9°-3.2°-30°
Field of Regard
(FOR)
Azimuth : 360° continuous
Elevation: +20° to -120°
Laser Range
Finder and Target
Designator
Laser type: Diode pumped ND:YAG
Wavelength: 1064 nm
Range: up to 30 km
Repetition Range: up to 20 Hz
Coding : STANAG 3733 Band I & II
Laser Pointer
and Iluminator
Laser Pointer: Wavelength: NIR
(Compatible with NVGs)
Laser Iluminator: Wavelength: NIR
(Compatible with LL-NIR Camera)
Communication
Interface RS-422, MIL-STD-1553B
Video Interface
4x SMPTE-292M HD-SDI
(1920x1080p)
2x PAL
Power Interface 28 VDC
Size Width: 437 mm
Height: 519.5 mm (Forward position)
Weight ≤ 59 kg
Temperature Operating : -54°C to +50°C
Storage : -55°C to +70°CCommon Aperture with Diameter of 220 mm

Main features

• Very Large Aperture for Narrow FOVs and Very Narrow
FOVs of IR, HDTV and LL-NIR Cameras
• Larger Aperture Means More Light and Therefore Better
Image Quality and Better Range
• Compact and Light-Weight System
• Single-LRU System
• Superior Range Performance
• High Performance IR Camera
• True Full High Definition (1920x1080) HDTV Camera
• Low Light Near Infrared (LL-NIR) Camera
• Common FOVs for IR, HDTV and LL-NIR Cameras
• Laser Range Finder and Target Designator
• Laser Pointer and Illuminator
• All-Digital Video Pipeline
• Advanced Image Processing
• Multi Target Tracking
• Accurate Target Geo-Location
• Determination of Coarse and Speed of Moving Target
• Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU)
• Accurate Stabilization
• Automatic Alignment with Platform
• Operation in Very Low Temperatures in High AltitudesTargeting

Applications

• Reconnaissance and Surveillance
 
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It will be a big blow nonetheless to Turkish UAV programs. You will need to redesign airframe, and others specifications probably but other members can elaborate more as I don't know much about the signifance of this.

Not really a blow, bayraktar may have stocked up another alternatives are domestic or perhaps buying from south korea or japan.

Funny how Turkey is not allowed to get non nato arms when it buys nato arms it gets sanctions or embargoes.

Same old west that cries when Turkiye buys some where else😆😆
 
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Not really a blow, bayraktar may have stocked up another alternatives are domestic or perhaps buying from south korea or japan.

Funny how Turkey is not allowed to get non nato arms when it buys nato arms it gets slapped sanctions or embargoes.

Same old west that cries when Turkiye buys some where else😆😆
Read something about 2000 sensors in stock, to secure the supply line after the former embargo
 

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Read something about 2000 sensors in stock, to secure the supply line after the former embargo

I dont expect any less from canadians. They will only sell you arms if you tow to their interests move out of line and your weapon supply gets cut.
 

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X-posting a few replies from the larger thread:


 
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Can't our boys reverse-engineer WESCAM's electronics and just clone it under a different brand name like the Chinese do? :unsure:

Hell, get me a WESCAM, a Raspberry Pi prototyping kit and a month's supply of Starbucks triple lattes, and I'll do it for free.
 

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Can't our boys reverse-engineer WESCAM's electronics and just clone it under a different brand name like the Chinese do? :unsure:

Hell, get me a WESCAM, a Raspberry Pi prototyping kit and a month's supply of Starbucks triple lattes, and I'll do it for free.
If only reverse engineering was so easy.
 

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It will be a big blow nonetheless to Turkish UAV programs. You will need to redesign airframe, and others specifications probably but other members can elaborate more as I don't know much about the signifance of this.
Nope, bayraktar isn't the only UAV,
Wescam isn't the only E/O.
Also the parts will be provided for exports, the ban does'not cover re-sales and exports from Turkey. 3rd countries can individually apply for those parts and later get them integrated on bayraktars.
So, not really a blow in neither way in fact a blow to the credibility of Canadian officials.
 

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I don’t suppose baykar stocked such huge numbers of Flirs because the Costumers are placing new order at impressive level. 48 Ukraine, 36 Azerbaijan, many other classified costumers that wasn’t revealed to public yet. I don’t suppose Canadian institute will be able to see such huge numbers for a single product in their entire life so I don’t suppose their ban is sustainable. If they proceed to ban, I believe Aselsan CATS or DASS will replace it and this is a positive thing for our industry.
 

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Our Defense Industry continues on its way without paying attention to blocking and embargo decisions.

Our CATS cameras, which will be installed and put into use on our UCAVS, are going into mass production, thanks to those who contributed.

Now, all they have to do is match TB2 production rate, which at full tilt is 1 per week.

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