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We all know PKK, ISIS and some other terrorist organizations. However some of the most dangerous groups are operating freely.

Hizb Ut-Tahrir is an extremist organization which although isn't armed, is very harmful to society. They openly call for a Caliphate and are completely against nationalism. Their members want Turkey to no longer exist. Why the hell are we letting them freely operate?

 
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We all know PKK, ISIS and some other terrorist organizations. However some of the most dangerous groups are operating freely.

Hizb Ut-Tahrir is an extremist organization which although isn't armed, is very harmful to society. They openly call for a Caliphate and are completely against nationalism. Their members want Turkey to no longer exist. Why the hell are we letting them freely operate?

They used to split Crimiean Tartarians cursing nationalism. Russians slaughtered all those militants after occupation. Russians attitude to hizbut tahrir like how we fight against PKK .

AFAIK hizbut tahrir gains support from gulf arabs.
 

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We all know PKK, ISIS and some other terrorist organizations. However some of the most dangerous groups are operating freely.

Hizb Ut-Tahrir is an extremist organization which although isn't armed, is very harmful to society. They openly call for a Caliphate and are completely against nationalism. Their members want Turkey to no longer exist. Why the hell are we letting them freely operate?


Not just Turkey they want all the Muslim countries gone and united under a single caliphate.

A mix of Delusion and utopian goals.
 

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They once offered the caliphate to Saddam who executed some of their members. They offered it to Khomeini some disappeared after it.
 

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Pelikan group,
They use media,
Lobbying using their connections within political parties and government
Assign their people to positions as they wish
Ask for resignation of people
Support particular people for post-erdogan era to fullfill their wishes.
Literally, a corrupt group meant to do corruption by corrupting government and AKP.
They are more dangerous than FETO, they focus on particular fields like justice system, management of ministries, positions in presidency, foundations, NGOs, management of state owned companies for financing and they ignore positions at military and police organizations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelican_files

https://m.dw.com/en/turkeys-pelican-group-a-state-within-a-state/a-52798624
 
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Hizb-Ut-Tahir also had a conference in Chicago about in like 2016 if they are able to openly penetrate society here with nice soft power techniques that means certain intelligence services might be using them for geo-political aims
 
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They once offered the caliphate to Saddam who executed some of their members. They offered it to Khomeini some disappeared after it.
Not just Turkey they want all the Muslim countries gone and united under a single caliphate.

A mix of Delusion and utopian goals.
They once offered the caliphate to Saddam who executed some of their members. They offered it to Khomeini some disappeared after it.


Nationalism and nation state is going away not because of pseudo-Islamism but gradual integration of the global economy and political structures but nations will still exist in some way having one huge Islamic state would easily fall apart due to cultural differences and also certain differences in practicing religion too as well this is a warning I give to my country men a united Islamic block would need a single country or powerful country to lead it and I dont see that at the moment
 
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AFAIK hizbut tahrir gains support from gulf arabs.
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I have issues with certain Turkish goals in the region but anything against the Gulf Arabs is sorely needed
 

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Nationalism and nation state is going away not because of pseudo-Islamism but gradual integration of the global economy and political structures but nations will still exist in some way having one huge Islamic state would easily fall apart due to cultural differences and also certain differences in practicing religion too as well this is a warning I give to my country men a united Islamic block would need a single country or powerful country to lead it and I dont see that at the moment

Caliphate collapsed ever since the Abbassid caliphate decentralised and gave way for independant states or empires.

Abbasids basically became the religious symbol while most Muslim states like the Seljuks and Ghaznavids pledged alleigance to the Abbassids but ruled independantly. When the abbassids were gone in 1258 they still held a religious office in Cairo under the Mamluks until they gave it to the Ottomans in 1517.

Caliphate today wont work for a multiple reasons because Muslim countries have evolved due to a wide range of factors. Many have become nation states.

Saudi Arabia and uae also do not qualify as a caliphate neither does Morocco despite the the King holding Amir Ul Mumineen.

I think some Pakistanis hold this idea of Erdogan bringing the caliphate back and the Ottomans. A lot of Muslims nowadays regardless of Turk or Non Turk dont believe in bringing back dead empires.

A lot of religious scholars believe the Muslim Empires collapsed was due to Allahs will and we should not argue it.

Ottomans, Mughals, Ummayads, Abbasids, Timurids, Seljuks, Al Andalus, Mamluks, Ghaznavids and various other Muslim empires collapsed and became part of history. Its best that they stay that way.

I dont think our forefathers want us wasting time in trying to bring them back.
 

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Turkey adopts law to prevent terror financing, weapons of mass destruction​

BY ANADOLU AGENCY​

ANKARA WAR ON TERROR
DEC 27, 2020 12:31 PM GMT+3
Members of parliament attend the reopening ceremony of the Turkish Parliament after the summer recess in Ankara, Turkey, Oct. 1, 2018. (Reuters File Photo)
Members of parliament attend the reopening ceremony of the Turkish Parliament after the summer recess in Ankara, Turkey, Oct. 1, 2018. (Reuters File Photo)

The Turkish Parliament on Sunday ratified a motion banning the commercial activities of organizations and individuals facing sanctions by the U.N. Security Council. Accordingly, collecting or providing funds to such individuals or organizations will also be banned in Turkey. Parliament also adopted a law calling for the prevention of proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

The provisions of the new law also deal with the funding of terrorist groups. The definition of "asset" was updated to match the internationally recognized meaning. Those who commit the crime of "funding terrorism" will be subjected to heavier fines and penalties.

Also, the assets of individuals and organizations sanctioned by the Security Council for "funding terrorism" will be frozen in a swifter procedure.

The law also regulates the collection of donations and funding through the internet. As such, collecting donations and funding online will be subject to permission by the Turkish Interior Ministry.

By doing so, authorities aim to prevent the abuse of a sense of solidarity in the public.

The law will also regulate both domestic and foreign foundations operating in Turkey.

The operations of foreign foundations working in Turkey will be inspected regularly by the ministry. The collection and distribution of funds abroad by Turkey-based foundations in the form of aid and donations will be also regulated by the ministry.

Turkish authorities underlined that the measures aim to make the fight against money laundering and terrorism financing swift and more efficient.

 

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Hizb-Ut-Tahir also had a conference in Chicago about in like 2016 if they are able to openly penetrate society here with nice soft power techniques that means certain intelligence services might be using them for geo-political aims

Hiz but tahrir does not use violence hence why they can easily penetrate into society hence why they use protests and conferences along with mass gatherings to send their message.

Irony is hiz but tahrir is hated by both Al qaeda and Isis because they dont use violence but propaganda to spread their message.

A lot of "islamic" terrorists groups have also made takfir on them.
 

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These are a threat as well, con artists that pose as government officials and conduct selling of state property fooling people. The state should go 100% digital, and use banks as means for payments and such. Salaries and such should also be bank transaction only.
 

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