TR Defence Exports & Updates

Saithan

Experienced member
Denmark Correspondent
Messages
8,784
Reactions
37 20,081
Nation of residence
Denmark
Nation of origin
Turkey
Well I'm interested in what kind of threats we can throw at them that would make them start delivering. I mean obviously they'll try to do the same shit with EF, so I think we should as bare minimum demand they be produced in a country that will deliver them, UK., Spain

I am wondering if the purchase goes through, but they cause trouble with delivery onto our soil just like F35, who are we going to have headbutting with ?

I mean if we have good relations with UK and they get caught up in this, then won't we be straining our relations ?
 

somegoodusername

Committed member
Messages
225
Reactions
2 378
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Erdogan helped Baykar with massive order. This money flow helped Baykar to grow up. In the second stage, Erdogan threading the export deals with customer. No arms deal, without government permission.

A classical nepotism!
I'm 100% anti-Erdoğan, and I don't have much love for the Bayraktar brothers, but I don't think Baykar's success is tied to government contracts. They offer good products at reasonable prices, and there are no real alternatives to the TB-2 or Akıncı in our domestic market.

However, our military has yet to procure much-needed VTOL drones, despite 3-4 producers having finished products for several years. If the military signs a mass contract with Baykar for their KALKAN drones without opening a tender for other products to compete, that would be 100% corruption.
 

Ripley

Contributor
USA Correspondent
Messages
679
Reactions
16 1,938
Nation of residence
United States of America
Nation of origin
Turkey
Seeing Spain is seriously considering Hurjet makes me feel good.

hola señora embajadora. Please buy our stuff. Gracias


🔴🇪🇸 Spanish Ambassador Cristina Latorre Sancho 🇹🇷 visited TAI.
🔸 TAI General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu presented the ambassador with a HÜRJET model.
🔸 HÜRJET is competing in the tender opened by Spain for its aircraft needs.
 
Last edited:

Sanchez

Experienced member
Moderator
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
2,485
Reactions
84 11,402
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
"We have made a 2nd agreement for KAPLAN APC for the Indonesian Land Forces. 2 prototypes will be produced, one in Turkey and the other at PINDAD facilities in Indonesia. We aim to complete the qualification in 2025 and deliver 2 vehicles in 2026. We hope that order negotiations will continue afterwards."


When was the first agreement? Maybe meaning the Kaplan MT?
 

Anmdt

Experienced member
Naval Specialist
Professional
Messages
5,543
Solutions
2
Reactions
119 25,166
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
"We have made a 2nd agreement for KAPLAN APC for the Indonesian Land Forces. 2 prototypes will be produced, one in Turkey and the other at PINDAD facilities in Indonesia. We aim to complete the qualification in 2025 and deliver 2 vehicles in 2026. We hope that order negotiations will continue afterwards."


When was the first agreement? Maybe meaning the Kaplan MT?
It is referring to Kaplan MT,
And we have found it out a week ago;

Harimau IFV variant???

I'm guessing that this armored vehicle is going to be unveil at Indo Defence 2024 in November.

View attachment 71168


Source: https://m.facebook.com/www.IMIIndonesia/

FNSS has released images a while ago, and gone unnoticed; The landscape looks like Indonesia, as far as i have seen. Looks like a new line of KAPLAN-AFV

View attachment 71252

View attachment 71253

View attachment 71254

View attachment 71255
 

begturan

Active member
Messages
104
Reactions
1 185
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
"We have made a 2nd agreement for KAPLAN APC for the Indonesian Land Forces. 2 prototypes will be produced, one in Turkey and the other at PINDAD facilities in Indonesia. We aim to complete the qualification in 2025 and deliver 2 vehicles in 2026. We hope that order negotiations will continue afterwards."


When was the first agreement? Maybe meaning the Kaplan MT?
What are the advantages of Kaplan APC compared to our modernized APCs? Do you think we need new tracked APCs like Kaplan ?

1685028023_aapc-t1--4.png
 

Huelague

Experienced member
Messages
4,075
Reactions
6 4,267
Nation of residence
Germany
Nation of origin
Turkey
I'm 100% anti-Erdoğan, and I don't have much love for the Bayraktar brothers, but I don't think Baykar's success is tied to government contracts. They offer good products at reasonable prices, and there are no real alternatives to the TB-2 or Akıncı in our domestic market.

Erdogans nepotism says nothing about Baykars reputation and quality products, which is unmatched.
 

Umigami

Experienced member
Moderator
Indonesia Moderator
Messages
6,509
Reactions
7 5,315
Nation of residence
Indonesia
Nation of origin
Indonesia
Indonesian Air Force meeting about F16 upgrade and ADS400 (Turkish Hisar with some Czech systems)


Highly likely Indonesia will pick Ozgur package instead of lockheed Viper.
 
Last edited:

IC3M@N FX

Committed member
Messages
261
Reactions
13 553
Nation of residence
Germany
Nation of origin
Turkey
Offtopic: You can accuse Erdogan of many things and he certainly makes mistakes and in general, as a politician you can't do justice to everyone in Turkey, whether good or bad, because there are simply too many interest groups.
But be glad that he not only pushes the arms industry but also promotes it to an unbelievable extent.
All the presidents before him were failures and didn't take any responsibility for their country, and instead kissed the ass of the USA, EU & Co.
Erdogan blackmails them, he negotiates deals, yes he doesn't get everything, but he puts them under pressure, but that's the only way it works in global politics, otherwise others will decide about your country instead of Turkey deciding about itself.

Apart from that, nepotism or not, that has always been the case in Turkey and I emphasize again that it has always been the case, no matter who was president or Basbakan before.
You should also get away from the illusion that there will be no nepotism in Turkey if Erdogan stops at some point, if it is not possible to stop this in the USA and the EU, how can it be stopped in Turkey.
 

Yasar_TR

Experienced member
Staff member
Administrator
Messages
3,276
Reactions
147 16,482
Nation of residence
United Kingdom
Nation of origin
Turkey
Both Nigeria and Philippines requesting additional T-129 Atak helikopters. Philippines is negotiating for a further 6 units. But Nigeria’s second batch quantity has not yet been released.
This is great news for our defence industry.
Shame about the Pakistani order though.
By this time, we should have been in a position to put in to works a platform with indigenous design with TS1400 military standard engine.
1729672883527.jpeg
 
Last edited:

dBSPL

Experienced member
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Ambassador
Messages
2,621
Reactions
100 13,472
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Offtopic: You can accuse Erdogan of many things and he certainly makes mistakes and in general, as a politician you can't do justice to everyone in Turkey, whether good or bad, because there are simply too many interest groups.
But be glad that he not only pushes the arms industry but also promotes it to an unbelievable extent.
All the presidents before him were failures and didn't take any responsibility for their country, and instead kissed the ass of the USA, EU & Co.
Erdogan blackmails them, he negotiates deals, yes he doesn't get everything, but he puts them under pressure, but that's the only way it works in global politics, otherwise others will decide about your country instead of Turkey deciding about itself.

Apart from that, nepotism or not, that has always been the case in Turkey and I emphasize again that it has always been the case, no matter who was president or Basbakan before.
You should also get away from the illusion that there will be no nepotism in Turkey if Erdogan stops at some point, if it is not possible to stop this in the USA and the EU, how can it be stopped in Turkey.
A very simple example is that SSIK meetings used to be an insignificant bureaucratic body that even the prime ministers did not attend, except during the Ecevit eras. In these periods, since indigenization efforts were downplayed, since most of the local companies were essentially bagmen, and since the decisions that needed to be taken were taken between delegations, no driving political will could emerge. After 2004-10 period, the whole country, not just ex-soldiers or defense industry enthusiasts, became aware of this committee. Does the Akp and its brand new media instrumentalize these efforts for political expediency? Yes, and in its parrallel, main opposition played into their hands by talking nonsense, this stupidity still continues, for both side. It has become nearly impossible for real defense enthusiasts who want stay away from the daily political shitshow and hallow populism.

I remember very well the times when tens of pages were written for weeks for something so insignificant for todays conditions. Unfortunately, we do not have this memory as the databases of defense industry channels on the internet are periodically destroyed. I wish I could show people a few examples from forum topics from 20 years ago, how even our vision was narrow. Turkish defense industry has made a big leap forward in a very short time. In fact, despite the fact that most of the projects in the first period were sabotaged from inside at the time, extraordinary success was achieved. Because, It always had this capacity. It had experienced people and academics who were involved in very serious projects abroad, and its participation in the western industry as a subcontractor at home. The quality standards of the institutions were very high. Only, there was no political will and some things dragged on for yearsin the midst of political and economic crises. But it was always there, just, someone had to mobilize it. In my opinion, this was the most important opportunity RTE had in his entire political career. He even won elections with the help of this decision alone, with the help of so called opposition he faced.

Anyway, in my opinion, these developments led to the expansion of resources, and the expansion of resources led to the destruction of an established business culture in this area, which had been ongoing since the 80 coup, and the redefinition of the industry. Not long ago, about 10 years ago, Baykar was about to close down and they even published a statement full of reproaches on their official website (later removed). Although I remember the document very clearly, I cannot recall its exact content, but I think they could not start the acceptance procedure even though all the requirements were met. At that stage, the company went through many crises, there were suspicious deaths also, while the military figures supporting Baykar were not very pro-government. Those who defended Baykar in the forums at that time were not politically pro-government friends either. The common goal was to see the development of the domestic industry. Baykar had the power of the unpopular segment in its early days. When the company somehow managed to break down the obstacles in front of it, it gained the support of the popular opinion this time but antipathy on the other side. The main reason for this is, you know, they chose shortcut by engaging political leadership of the country. From this point on, no matter what you do, will always incur someone's hatred. Even if Baykar becomes a global company spread over many countries one day, it will not change the fact that it is the company that makes the smartest political move by using the opportunity while one order lost and new one established in its area of interest.


TL,DR; Although I don't know if all these opinion manupilations are really important, the right wing Atlanticists who glorified FETO yesterday have become Turkish defense industry experts today, or you suddenly see a defense expert with thousands of followers on social media being caught selling critical information and documents to foreign intelligence in a coffee shop. The horse's track has mixed with the dog's track. But within the influence of the net community, identities are also becoming unclear. People have even unconsciously started to carry the tweets of fugitive terrorists indirectly. I considered myself a die-hard defense enthusiast for years, sometimes spending entire Sundays scouring the papers on these subjects. But now I don't even want to look anymore, there's a different shittalk on every corner. While the entire surrounding area of the country is in fire, and the republic is about to face the greatest risks in its history, everyone has a comb in one hand and a glass of ayran in the other.
 
Last edited:

Sanchez

Experienced member
Moderator
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
2,485
Reactions
84 11,402
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
"ASELSAN and Baykar signed sales contracts totaling USD 95,116,802, of which USD 87,839,218 was for the export of payloads consisting of friend-or-foe recognition systems, satellite communication systems, radio systems, guidance systems and electro-optical systems for end users in Asia and Africa."

 

Quasar

Contributor
The Post Deleter
Messages
735
Reactions
51 3,281
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
So far guess we have been satisfied with the unoffical cooperation between TAI and BAYKAR I mean an unoffical division of labor... it is realy hard to say that their products are in direct competition even when they are in the class but rather they are complementing each other
 

Quasar

Contributor
The Post Deleter
Messages
735
Reactions
51 3,281
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
"ASELSAN and Baykar signed sales contracts totaling USD 95,116,802, of which USD 87,839,218 was for the export of payloads consisting of friend-or-foe recognition systems, satellite communication systems, radio systems, guidance systems and electro-optical systems for end users in Asia and Africa."

''friend-or-foe recognition systems'' where BAYKAR may use these systems??:devilish: At least we know that ''AKINCI is equipped with dual artificial intelligence avionics which supports for signal processing, sensor fusion and situational awareness in real time.'' However existance of a separate friend-or-foe recognition system??? not necessarily but the term friend-or-foe recognition system has a strong connotation of Air to Air engagement... And partly the same question for the guldance systems…
 
Last edited:

dBSPL

Experienced member
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Ambassador
Messages
2,621
Reactions
100 13,472
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
TAI General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu: (Regarding the question asked about Hürjet) We have almost reached the contract stage with 3 countries, an announcement may be made soon.
 

Lool

Experienced member
DefenceHub Diplomat
Messages
3,033
Reactions
15 5,240
Nation of residence
Albania
Nation of origin
Albania
TAI General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu: (Regarding the question asked about Hürjet) We have almost reached the contract stage with 3 countries, an announcement may be made soon.
Egypt, Azerbaijan, and Spain probably?
 

dBSPL

Experienced member
Think Tank Analyst
DefenceHub Ambassador
Messages
2,621
Reactions
100 13,472
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Egypt, Azerbaijan, and Spain probably?
You know the developments reflected in the press, In addition to your list there are a few more countries where various negotiations are taking place. We do not know which of these is at what stage. In the old GM (Kotil) period, pressured hard for the Malaysian tender, but the situation developed different later, then some claims were made about the company that won the tender, I will not go into those issues, but I believe that it was an important experience politically, aside from technical fields of work.

Need to note that detail that TAI GM did not give any country names or details, although it said that they were reaching the contract stage with some countries.What I am writing is about countries other than Azerbaijan, by the way. Azerbaijan's position is very special.You know.The Azerbaijan armed forces also has an important place among the targets of all of these indigenization efforts in Turkiye.
 

Follow us on social media

Latest posts

Top Bottom