TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[TheInsider]

When we lost F35 because AK party brought s400, AKtrolls convinced us it was a great idea and F35's were shit and it saved us a massive economic burden. Now years later their selling the S400's most likely at a loss to get back f35's that they will probably pay more for now. This is now sold as a great political success story.

Anyway, i wouldn't sell the s400 until the first F35's are received.

This will go down as one of the most foolish moves of the century.

 

[GoatsMilk]

This will go down as one of the most foolish moves of the century.

honestly i think the common people in Turkiye are too numb to care about it. It may go down somewhere but i don't think most of the nation will ever remember it.

But i do think it goes to add weight to my argument that this s400 purchase was about syria, trying to gain favour with russia while at the same time telling the americans to back off or they risk losing Turkiye over their support of the YPG. Obviously we know how that went.

 

[Fatman17]

Reassessing U.S.-Türkiye Relations: The View from Ankara



The Trump Administration clearly recognizes the critical importance of Türkiye

as a key partner, though top officials do not yet appear to have a vision for a

strategic alliance. President Trump’s warm remarks at the recent NATO Summit

and the removal of sanctions have been well received in Ankara. Nevertheless, it

has been seven years since the F-35 aircraft sales were halted, and in that time

Turkish foreign policy has drifted away from Washington to develop a wide range

of security partners to suit Türkiye’s specific needs.



If the United States hopes to influence Turkish thinking on the issues that matter most to Washington, it will have to craft a broader vision for the bilateral relationship that goes beyond defense sales.



Read it here.

 

[Sanchez]

After multiple ministerial meetings back to back, this should be interesting.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2085434166422778146

 

[Afif]

Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan pledge mutual defence as Middle East turmoil escalates​

By Timour Azhari, Ariba Shahid and Tuvan Gumrukcu

• Pact signed in Mecca on Friday, statement said
• Erdogan, Sharif and army chief Munir met Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman
• Agreement follows nearly a year of negotiations, Reuters reported in January

RIYADH/KARACHI/ANKARA, Aug 7 - Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Turkey signed a joint defence agreement in Mecca on Friday, wedding Sunni Muslim U.S. allies alarmed at a regional conflagration that has rained missile fire onto Gulf oil exporters.
Iran and its allies have been firing on Saudi Arabia and other Gulf ‌states, and blockading their energy shipments, since the U.S. and Israel attacked it on February 28 in a major escalation after years of regional tumult.

The agreement is intended to strengthen collective deterrence against any act of aggression and stipulates that an armed attack against any of the three would be regarded as an attack on all, they said in a joint statement.
While the statement did not give specifics on the commitments or obligations each had accepted under the "Mecca Joint Defence Agreement", it said the pact was aimed at strengthening their collective security and promoting peace, security and stability in the region and beyond.

"The pact includes a collective defence clause. It is purely defensive in nature, pledging mutual support only for defence," a Turkish official said. The agreement was not directed against any specific actor, was open to other regional countries, and did not abrogate or replace ⁠any existing bilateral or multilateral arrangements, the official added.
However, the three nations are particularly concerned by the increasingly aggressive military stances of both Israel and revolutionary Shi'ite Iran, as their longtime U.S. ally struggles to contain regional upheaval.

POWERFUL POLITICAL SYMBOLISM​

"The political symbolism of the summit is significant. Three of the Muslim world's most influential states are convening at a moment of heightened uncertainty, demonstrating a growing willingness among regional and middle powers to coordinate more closely on security matters," said Abdulaziz Sager, chairman of the Gulf Research Center, a Saudi-based think tank.
"If institutionalised and translated into concrete cooperation, the trilateral framework could strengthen the three countries' collective diplomatic and defense weight while contributing to the emergence of a more regionally driven security architecture," Sager added.

Read more.......

সোর্স: Reuters https://share.google/TMh8am57mvcY6N18C

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This is interesting indeed.

 

[Corvus]

Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan pledge mutual defence as Middle East turmoil escalates​

I have been waiting for this for so long.

Hope it becomes a nucleus for a future unity in the Islamic World. We have a great potential together.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan pledge mutual defence as Middle East turmoil escalates​

By Timour Azhari, Ariba Shahid and Tuvan Gumrukcu

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• Pact signed in Mecca on Friday, statement said
• Erdogan, Sharif and army chief Munir met Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman
• Agreement follows nearly a year of negotiations, Reuters reported in January

RIYADH/KARACHI/ANKARA, Aug 7 - Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Turkey signed a joint defence agreement in Mecca on Friday, wedding Sunni Muslim U.S. allies alarmed at a regional conflagration that has rained missile fire onto Gulf oil exporters.
Iran and its allies have been firing on Saudi Arabia and other Gulf ‌states, and blockading their energy shipments, since the U.S. and Israel attacked it on February 28 in a major escalation after years of regional tumult.

The agreement is intended to strengthen collective deterrence against any act of aggression and stipulates that an armed attack against any of the three would be regarded as an attack on all, they said in a joint statement.
While the statement did not give specifics on the commitments or obligations each had accepted under the "Mecca Joint Defence Agreement", it said the pact was aimed at strengthening their collective security and promoting peace, security and stability in the region and beyond.

"The pact includes a collective defence clause. It is purely defensive in nature, pledging mutual support only for defence," a Turkish official said. The agreement was not directed against any specific actor, was open to other regional countries, and did not abrogate or replace ⁠any existing bilateral or multilateral arrangements, the official added.
However, the three nations are particularly concerned by the increasingly aggressive military stances of both Israel and revolutionary Shi'ite Iran, as their longtime U.S. ally struggles to contain regional upheaval.

POWERFUL POLITICAL SYMBOLISM​

"The political symbolism of the summit is significant. Three of the Muslim world's most influential states are convening at a moment of heightened uncertainty, demonstrating a growing willingness among regional and middle powers to coordinate more closely on security matters," said Abdulaziz Sager, chairman of the Gulf Research Center, a Saudi-based think tank.
"If institutionalised and translated into concrete cooperation, the trilateral framework could strengthen the three countries' collective diplomatic and defense weight while contributing to the emergence of a more regionally driven security architecture," Sager added.

Read more.......

সোর্স: Reuters https://share.google/TMh8am57mvcY6N18C

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This is interesting indeed.

This is actually hilarious.

What's being sold as an alliance between the world's three most influential majority Muslim states is actually just a cover for protecting Israel against the next round of fighting.

Turkey and Pakistan will send troops and weapons to Saudi Arabia, will dedicate their precious resources to stopping Iran's missiles and drones, all in return for what? More Saudi money and influence creeping into their own countries.

Muslims need to wake the f*ck up

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

I have been waiting for this for so long.

Hope it becomes a nucleus for a future unity in the Islamic World. We have a great potential together.

Waiting for what? Are you really this naive

 

[Fatman17]

This is actually hilarious.

What's being sold as an alliance between the world's three most influential majority Muslim states is actually just a cover for protecting Israel against the next round of fighting.

Turkey and Pakistan will send troops and weapons to Saudi Arabia, will dedicate their precious resources to stopping Iran's missiles and drones, all in return for what? More Saudi money and influence creeping into their own countries.

Muslims need to wake the f*ck up

Perhaps but Israel has been threatening Turkiye in collaboration with Greece and similarly india has declared Israel as their "fatherland ". There are numerous articles on how Israel will help india to destroy Pakistan nuclear weapons. So we have to wait and see how this trilateral agreement works.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Perhaps but Israel has been threatening Turkiye in collaboration with Greece and similarly india has declared Israel as their "fatherland ". There are numerous articles on how Israel will help india to destroy Pakistan nuclear weapons. So we have to wait and see how this trilateral agreement works.

I'll agree that collab between Pakistan and Türkiye is mutually beneficial. The Saudi's on the other hand I don't trust a single bit. I don't care how much money they offer.

 

[Fatman17]

I'll agree that collab between Pakistan and Türkiye is mutually beneficial. The Saudi's on the other hand I don't trust a single bit. I don't care how much money they offer.

You do have a strong point there.

 

[AWP]

This agreement is just another shield that is created by Israel and the US to protect them from any future conflict with Iran

Saudi Arabia is allowing the US forces to use it's bases and airspace to attack Iran , in which it make Saudi a co-conspirator with the war against Iran , so why would Turkey and Pakistan risk war for someone who do that ?

Also I don't understand the Pakistani and Turkish mentality, a war with Iran means a massive threat at it's borders while Saudi is way far from Iran !!

Sadly in one way or another, Israel won

 

[OPTIMUS]

I have been waiting for this for so long.

Hope it becomes a nucleus for a future unity in the Islamic World. We have a great potential together.

This is actually hilarious.

What's being sold as an alliance between the world's three most influential majority Muslim states is actually just a cover for protecting Israel against the next round of fighting.

Turkey and Pakistan will send troops and weapons to Saudi Arabia, will dedicate their precious resources to stopping Iran's missiles and drones, all in return for what? More Saudi money and influence creeping into their own countries.

Muslims need to wake the f*ck up

With this agreement, any troop movements within three countries will have an international legal basis.

How much money the Saudis have is already irrelevant.

It's about the troops! You can guess which troops!

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

With this agreement, any troop movements within three countries will have an international legal basis.

How much money the Saudis have is already irrelevant.

It's about the troops! You can guess which troops!

So Turkish and Pakistani troops will put their lives on the line to protect Saudi Arabia and by extension give Israel a better chance at surviving the next Iranian onslaught? Are you seeing this as a good thing?

 

[OPTIMUS]

So Turkish and Pakistani troops will put their lives on the line to protect Saudi Arabia and by extension give Israel a better chance at surviving the next Iranian onslaught? Are you seeing this as a good thing?

It's about the transfers of Pakistani troops to Saudi Arabia and to Turkey.

 

[Fatman17]

It's about the transfers of Pakistani troops to Saudi Arabia and to Turkey.

In the 80s there was a division level deployment of Pakistan Army to Saudi Arabia for "defensive " purposes. I'm assuming that the Saudi Arabia army is now better equipped and trained to fend for itself. Any foreign Troops in Saudi Arabia will be mostly a "ceremonial show of force "

 

[OPTIMUS]

In the 80s there was a division level deployment of Pakistan Army to Saudi Arabia for "defensive " purposes. I'm assuming that the Saudi Arabia army is now better equipped and trained to fend for itself. Any foreign Troops in Saudi Arabia will be mostly a "ceremonial show of force "

Not this time either.

This time something big is coming. In Greece and Israel, alarm bells are already ringing. Because they know it.

The Pakistani troops are being equipped with Turkish material, paid for by the Saudis. These are mainly stationed in Turkey. The Turkish troops deployed in Pakistan are mostly from TURAF and DzKK. They will have some personnel from the civilian Turkish institutions internally.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Not this time either.

This time something big is coming. In Greece and Israel, alarm bells are already ringing. Because they know it.

The Pakistani troops are being equipped with Turkish material, paid for by the Saudis. These are mainly stationed in Turkey. The Turkish troops deployed in Pakistan are mostly from TURAF and DzKK. They will have some personnel from the civilian Turkish institutions internally.

Saudi Arabia is allies with Israel. Any opposition to Israel is just it saving face in front of the "Muslim world". To the US and Israel, Saudi Arabia has been a useful tool for spreading Islamism that's beneficial to western interests. You realise Central Asia is next in line right? If they can spread radical Islam there then they can stop China's rise and completely destroy Russia from its soft underbelly.

I'm not pro or anti anything, but we're very clearly helping Western interests under the guise of a so called islamic alliance.

Stop believing the lies that any of this is for combating Greece or Israel, pure nonsense. Pakistan and Türkiye are being brought into the middle eastern mess as the first line of defence against Iran, and neither are going to benefit from it.

 

[Fatman17]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2085707926727987208

Here is a Indian viewpoint which may be entirely opposite to the Indian government stance which we don't know about.

 

[OPTIMUS]

I don't know how I can explain everything in short form:

First, Turkey was pushed into such an alliance due to Israeli-Greek activities against Turkey. This unnamed pact was also fully accepted by the EU, so that some factories (VOLKSWAGEN) in Germany were restructured for Israeli needs.
Very hesitant trade from rating agencies under Israeli influence, ukrainien activities in the Black Sea, Morocco/Israel brotherhood created enough free space for Turkey's domestic political actions (SÜREC/politics, ARRESTS/finances).

This alliance is a counterpart to what the EU and ISRAEL are planning against Turkey.

Later on, it will become very clear to them that they made a mistake when IRAQ and SYRIA declare their wish to participate in our alliance (SÜREC).

Then we have them by the balls.

From now on, expect more attacks in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia supported by Iran.

IRAN has never ceased to act deceitfully against the Turks. They will continue to do so.