TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[Rooxbar]

Wave like the dawns, oh glorious crescent!

HÜRJET's second prototype took to the skies with its new paint!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1859633787476287500

omg it's so beautiful. this new prototype is much sleeker than the first one.

 

[Ripley]

Wave like the dawns, oh glorious crescent!

HÜRJET's second prototype took to the skies with its new paint!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1859633787476287500

Looks like inspired by WW2 camo patterns

1) dazzle patterns of Allied naval vessels

2) and Luftwaffe early war two tone pattern

I love this new Hurjet Camo. Looking great

 

[hugh]

Juanjo Fernández(Writer and defense analyst. Graduate in National Defense):

"The second prototype of the Hurjet with a nice paint scheme.
Get used to this plane. I won't say more."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1859876210316321013

Could it be..?

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Juanjo Fernández(Writer and defense analyst. Graduate in National Defense):

"The second prototype of the Hurjet with a nice paint scheme.
Get used to this plane. I won't say more."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1859876210316321013

Could it be..?

We have to take a step back and think about the incredible achievement Türkiye has made regarding its defence industry and in particular the aviation sector thanks to TAI, Baykar, Aselsan, Rocketsan, Havelsan, KaleAero, and many more.
The fact that we're exporting to NATO countries or even being considered from Spain, a country with decades more experience and success in manufacturing Aircraft from trainers, fighters to transport and utility, is mind boggling. Quality is key!

 

[hugh]

We have to take a step back and think about the incredible achievement Türkiye has made regarding its defence industry and in particular the aviation sector thanks to TAI, Baykar, Aselsan, Rocketsan, Havelsan, KaleAero, and many more.
The fact that we're exporting to NATO countries or even being considered from Spain, a country with decades more experience and success in manufacturing Aircraft from trainers, fighters to transport and utility, is mind boggling. Quality is key!

it's a good omen for sure but we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. we need to see some concrete news before putting up the lights

 

[Sanchez]

News from Spain:

"Air Force prioritizes industrial returns in F-5 replacement: "The Hürjet is well positioned".

"The major objective is to buy an advanced trainer with a significant participation in the Spanish defense industry program, in line with the Defense Ministry's procurement policy. At this point, talks are currently underway with different candidates, among which the Hürjet of the Turkish firm TAI stands out. "We are going to acquire a trainer, but what returns do we have, at that point is the negotiation", explained the Chief of the Air Staff (JEMA), Air General Francisco Braco, in a meeting with journalists in Madrid.

The Ministry of Defense and the Air and Space Army, explained JEMA, do not want to acquire an aircraft through a "leasing" where there is a high dependence on the manufacturer for the maintenance or updating of components. "The goal is to have our own aircraft that we can touch," he stressed. The air general also reviewed some of the candidates including TAI's Hürjet, Korean KAI's T-50 and also Leonardo's M-346, but insisted that much of the discussion revolves around the aforementioned returns.

Regarding the Hürjet, the JEMA confirmed that the TAI company presented the aircraft to the Air and Space Army in Spain and that the possible purchase was also discussed in the margins of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's visit to Madrid in June this year."The Hürjet is well positioned, I don't deny it, but with conditions, and we are in those conditions right now," Braco concluded."

El Ejército del Aire prioriza los retornos industriales en la sustitución de los F-5: "El Hürjet está bien posicionado"

En este punto están en la actualidad las conversaciones con los distintos candidatos entre los que sobresale el Hürjet de la firma turca TAI.'Vamos a adquirir un entrenador, pero ¿qué retorn ...

www.infodefensa.com

Spain is interested in up to 55 aircraft to replace their old F-5 trainers, aggressor aircraft and those of their Acroteam Patrulla Aguilla, which operate 12 C-101s.

 

[Saithan]

For the umptheenth time we'll see when we get there. Meanwhile since hürjet is flying and doing acrobatics etc. We should focus on semi-mass production of Hürjet and have a dedicated team for it. Better safe than sorry.

 

[boredaf]

For the umptheenth time we'll see when we get there. Meanwhile since hürjet is flying and doing acrobatics etc. We should focus on semi-mass production of Hürjet and have a dedicated team for it. Better safe than sorry.

That makes absolutely zero sense. Mainly because we don't have an engine for it either, and we have no idea if we could get an agreement for engine to be used on a light attack variant. How on earth are you expecting it to enter "mass" production without engines? We don't even have an engine program for it right now mate.

Not to mention, it is far less capable than even the worst version of Kaan would be. It is doubtful it can even carry our heaviest munitions. Why push for it and split your workforce and budget?? People are really overestimating Hürjet.

 

[Saithan]

That makes absolutely zero sense. Mainly because we don't have an engine for it either, and we have no idea if we could get an agreement for engine to be used on a light attack variant. How on earth are you expecting it to enter "mass" production without engines? We don't even have an engine program for it right now mate.

Not to mention, it is far less capable than even the worst version of Kaan would be. It is doubtful it can even carry our heaviest munitions. Why push for it and split your workforce and budget?? People are really overestimating Hürjet.

It makes sense of you use engine from GE. At least there is no hyper over domestic engine for Hürjet, so it'd be perfect to continue with the trainer version and on the side develop it as LCA.

So what's delaying or who is delaying semi-mass production of Hürjet ? I'd say politics. I can't remember if the sale of engine fo Hürjet got through US senate. But we should have had that deal in place long ago.

 

[boredaf]

It makes sense of you use engine from GE. At least there is no hyper over domestic engine for Hürjet, so it'd be perfect to continue with the trainer version and on the side develop it as LCA.

So what's delaying or who is delaying semi-mass production of Hürjet ? I'd say politics. I can't remember if the sale of engine fo Hürjet got through US senate. But we should have had that deal in place long ago.

Okay, you use the engine for the trainer, sure. But you wouldn't be able to use it for the light attack version. So, what did you gain by putting more resources into it? Nothing.

 

[Saithan]

Okay, you use the engine for the trainer, sure. But you wouldn't be able to use it for the light attack version. So, what did you gain by putting more resources into it? Nothing.

Why would we not be able to use on LCA version of Hürjet ? I've said it before, if we can transform Hürjet to LCA without changing it's structure then it's best to build as many Hürjet as possible

 

[boredaf]

Why would we not be able to use on LCA version of Hürjet ? I've said it before, if we can transform Hürjet to LCA without changing it's structure then it's best to build as many Hürjet as possible

Mate, you buy those engines to use them on a trainer, you can only use them on a trainer without their explicit say so. You think they are just going to give them to us to do whatever we want? And a trainer plane that cannot even carry 3 tons is not going to help that much to us, it certainly won't be able to go against any 5th gen plane.

 

[Saithan]

Mate, you buy those engines to use them on a trainer, you can only use them on a trainer without their explicit say so. You think they are just going to give them to us to do whatever we want? And a trainer plane that cannot even carry 3 tons is not going to help that much to us, it certainly won't be able to go against any 5th gen plane.

I disagree with you on that. I know that if we acquire them for trainer then that's what we should do, but in an all out war or such, being able to turn those jets into LCA and more modern one is an asset that should not be under estimated. As it is our fighterjets are getting older and older.

 

[boredaf]

I disagree with you on that. I know that if we acquire them for trainer then that's what we should do, but in an all out war or such, being able to turn those jets into LCA and more modern one is an asset that should not be under estimated. As it is our fighterjets are getting older and older.

In an all out war, either we are sided with US and NATO then we wouldn't have problem with procuring the engines we actually need for Kaan (until our own is ready) or we are on the opposite sides and we won't get engines at all. And if there isn't a war, trying to use those engines on attack craft (other than in a prototype) after buying it for a trainer craft is simply idiotic as that would jeopardise other projects, including Kaan. Hürjet is not worth it mate. We'd be better of investing in KE and Anka-3 and TF6K and TF10K instead of risking so much for Hürjet.

In fact, you can mark my words, Turkish Airforce will not buy Hürjet in attack configuration at all, nor will the Navy get it for anything other than as a trainer.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Turkiye and Spain to Collaborate on Hürjet | TURDEF

Secretary of SSB Professor Haluk Görgün announced that an agreement was signed between Turkiye and Spain regarding the Jet Training Aircraft Project.

turdef.com

A Memorandum of Understanding has been signed between Turkey and Spain regarding the cooperation on the development of Hurjet training aircraft.
That is interesting to know that things are hotting up between the two countries regarding the prospective purchase of Hurjet trainer by the Spanish Airforce.

According to this news piece, TEI has signed an agreement for the supply of 100 f404 engines with GE.

 

[dBSPL]

Turkiye and Spain to Collaborate on Hürjet | TURDEF

Secretary of SSB Professor Haluk Görgün announced that an agreement was signed between Turkiye and Spain regarding the Jet Training Aircraft Project.

turdef.com

A Memorandum of Understanding has been signed between Turkey and Spain regarding the cooperation on the development of Hurjet training aircraft.
That is interesting to know that things are hotting up between the two countries regarding the prospective purchase of Hurjet trainer by the Spanish Airforce.

According to this news piece, TEI has signed an agreement for the supply of 100 f404 engines with GE.
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Spain has a considerable air force and, according to online sources, already has around 60 C-101EBs and F-5BMs in active inventory. I think this gives the Spanish air force a large enough training fleet to make it one of the most important users of the Hürjet, along with the Turkish air force. So one of the things I am curious about is whether Airbus Military's facilities in Spain (former CASA) will be involved in the production activities of the Hürjet.

 

[Ripley]

. So one of the things I am curious about is whether Airbus Military's facilities in Spain (former CASA) will be involved in the production activities of the Hürjet.

Wouldn’t that be a natural outcome given the fact that TAI holds somewhat limited production capacity?

 

[TheInsider]

Big news.

 

[Sanchez]

Spain has a considerable air force and, according to online sources, already has around 60 C-101EBs and F-5BMs in active inventory. I think this gives the Spanish air force a large enough training fleet to make it one of the most important users of the Hürjet, along with the Turkish air force. So one of the things I am curious about is whether Airbus Military's facilities in Spain (former CASA) will be involved in the production activities of the Hürjet.

Projected Spanish requirement is about 55 trainer aircraft to replace their trainers, aggressor aircraft and the acroteam aircraft like we plan to do.

These are lovely, welcome news. As far as I understand it, it's not a sale and it's not close to a sale yet, but a MOU to develop the aircraft together or explore the possibilities to actively develop a Spanish version(maybe even with EJ-200 instead of F404) of the aircraft with larger Spanish workshare and technical requirements. Really hoping it materializes. Spaniards will no doubt will want increased workload either for their own aircraft or for the whole project. They are an aerospace giant in their own right with a solid history of codeveloping and even building their own aircraft like with C-101, C-235, starting member of Airbus etc, and they have multiple subcomponent suppliers, many of which are already installed on Hürjet currently. They have their own expertise they don't want to lose and this might be a start of a great relationship in further aerospace projects between us. Spain is already a major exporter of aerospace systems for decades and with Spanish expertise added, Hürjet might beat the T-50 to be a major export success altogether if a nice relationship is formed, giving billions to TAI, and ensuring Hürjet's line being open for decades.

 

[Kaan Azman]

This can go beyond a major export if we get to have a deep cooperation on HÜRJET with Spain and think of the trust it is going to build when an European country is the first customer.