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Remember when they said they didn't suffer any casualties?
 

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Remember when they said they didn't suffer any casualties?

If the Indians suffered casualties most likely the Chinese did.

Im thinking most died from the terrain or the weather rather than hand to hand combat. The terrain they are in is pretty much a death sentence. 19 Indian soldiers died from either drowning or hypothermia rather than hand to hand combat. Same case for Chinese soldiers most likely died from drowning or freezing to death.
 

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If the Indians suffered casualties most likely the Chinese did.

Im thinking most died from the terrain or the weather rather than hand to hand combat. The terrain they are in is pretty much a death sentence. 19 Indian soldiers died from either drowning or hypothermia rather than hand to hand combat. Same case for Chinese soldiers most likely died from drowning or freezing to death.
But we put the name of all KIAs and awarded them as per their bravery . But the fun part is Chinese initially denied and then said 4 casualties when TASS said Chinese lost 45 soldiers .

 
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Remember when they said they didn't suffer any casualties?
The fun part is 3 non Indian non Chinese sorces predict more then 35 Chinese casualties :

TASS Russia - 45 Chinese service men dead

US intl report - 35 Chinese service men dead

Australian Portal - 38 Chinese drowned
 

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The fun part is 3 non Indian non Chinese sorces predict more then 35 Chinese casualties :

TASS Russia - 45 Chinese service men dead

US intl report - 35 Chinese service men dead

Australian Portal - 38 Chinese drowned

Basically terrain or environmental deaths.

Chinese could have easily acknowledged they suffered casualties from the terrain nothing embarassing about it.

Galwan or the Ladakh is pretty much a death sentence when you look at the terrain and weather.

Pakistan and India in the siachen glacier conflict most of the soldiers that died, died from the environment and the weather. Pretty hardcore how most died from ice breaking, avalanches, hypothermia and falling to their deaths. Cannot imagine the oxygen too as they went up the peaks 😮
 

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Basically terrain or environmental deaths.

Chinese could have easily acknowledged they suffered casualties from the terrain nothing embarassing about it.

Galwan or the Ladakh is pretty much a death sentence when you look at the terrain and weather.

Pakistan and India in the siachen glacier conflict most of the soldiers that died, died from the environment and the weather. Pretty hardcore how most died from ice breaking, avalanches, hypothermia and falling to their deaths. Cannot imagine the oxygen too as they went up the peaks 😮
More than the terrain, if you look at this article it claims they were trying to get out of the fighting zone.
 

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Basically terrain or environmental deaths.

Chinese could have easily acknowledged they suffered casualties from the terrain nothing embarassing about it.

Galwan or the Ladakh is pretty much a death sentence when you look at the terrain and weather.

Pakistan and India in the siachen glacier conflict most of the soldiers that died, died from the environment and the weather. Pretty hardcore how most died from ice breaking, avalanches, hypothermia and falling to their deaths. Cannot imagine the oxygen too as they went up the peaks 😮
You know , In Galwan clash soldiers died not only due to cold but due to hand to hand combat too , no unit accept the death of their unarmed Commanding Officer mostly Chinese caualties happened after that and as per the article by Australians , the Chinese started panicking once their CO left the area and the second in command died .

Just to clarify the glacier siachin is completely under Indian control and I agree operating such areal is not easy .

The difference between Chinese and Indian soldiers is one was fighting for Chinese Communist Party and one was fighting for mother land
 

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You know , In Galwan clash soldiers died not only due to cold but due to hand to hand combat too , no unit accept the death of their unarmed Commanding Officer mostly Chinese caualties happened after that and as per the article by Australians , the Chinese started panicking once their CO left the area and the second in command died .

Just to clarify the glacier siachin is completely under Indian control and I agree operating such areal is not easy .

The difference between Chinese and Indian soldiers is one was fighting for Chinese Communist Party and one was fighting for mother land
I am sure the Chinese fight for patriotic reasons too. The points are very simple -

1. There was an agreement in place by both sides not to build infra in disputed areas. China violated that agreement.

2. China did not expect India to react with force to its salami Slicing policy

3. China brought in weapons in areas where weapons weren't allowed by either side. They did capture Indian troops - we've seen the pics.

4. Can't trust China to keep its word. If a nation doesn't recognize this who gave up their lives for the country how can the opponent expect it to act with a modicum of honor?
 

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I am sure the Chinese fight for patriotic reasons too. The points are very simple -

1. There was an agreement in place by both sides not to build infra in disputed areas. China violated that agreement.

2. China did not expect India to react with force to its salami Slicing policy

3. China brought in weapons in areas where weapons weren't allowed by either side. They did capture Indian troops - we've seen the pics.

4. Can't trust China to keep its word. If a nation doesn't recognize this who gave up their lives for the country how can the opponent expect it to act with a modicum of honor?
To be honest thanks to China that Indian planners has started focussing on the defence moderenaisation and the I am sure that that intl agencies have also started on focussing on China in more focussed way
 

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To be honest thanks to China that Indian planners has started focussing on the defence moderenaisation and the I am sure that that intl agencies have also started on focussing on China in more focussed way
It's more complicated. @Nilgiri can shed light. Fact is China not only has access to better resources, it also executes projects very rapidly.

They have been building infrastructure. From a strategic perspective, I don't get their thought process. Fighting for land under another nation's control is so 20th century unless there is some oil or mineral wealth. I doubt there is in these areas. China as it is is the upper rivarian. So what's their end game?
 

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Credentials of the Aussie reporter

  • News Corporation Australia journalist of the year, Sir Keith Murdoch Award for Excellence in Journalism, 2010; (finalist) 2018
  • Walkley Award for Business Journalism, all media, 2007
  • Graham Perkin Australian Journalist of the Year, (finalist) 2010
  • News Corporation Australia Business Journalist of the Year, 2007; 2011; 2014
  • News Corporation Australia Business Journalist of the Year (highly commended) 2009; (finalist) 2016; (finalist) 2018
  • Citi Journalism Award for Excellence, Personal Finance, 2015
  • Citi Journalism Award for Excellence, Broadcast (finalist) 2016
  • NSW Kennedy Award for Outstanding Investigative Reporting (finalist) 2015
  • NSW Kennedy Award for Outstanding Finance Reporting (finalist) 2015; (finalist) 2016
  • Society of Publishers in Asia (SOPA) Excellence in Investigative Reporting (finalist) 2016
  • Society of Publishers in Asia (SOPA) the Scoop Award (finalist) 2016
  • Best News Journalist, IT Journalism Awards 2018

A bit difficult for China and 50 cent warriors to discredit his credentials
 

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It's more complicated. @Nilgiri can shed light. Fact is China not only has access to better resources, it also executes projects very rapidly.

They have been building infrastructure. From a strategic perspective, I don't get their thought process. Fighting for land under another nation's control is so 20th century unless there is some oil or mineral wealth. I doubt there is in these areas. China as it is is the upper rivarian. So what's their end game?

To understand endgame of those in power in PRC, you have to understand where the psyche originates for 20th century.

What is your take on that?

I will reply a bit more later what I think on it.

It is unfortunately not very well studied or looked into by India and West.
 

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To understand endgame of those in power in PRC, you have to understand where the psyche originates for 20th century.

What is your take on that?

I will reply a bit more later what I think on it.

It is unfortunately not very well studied or looked into by India and West.
Being steamrolled by the Japanese and having to be rescued?
 

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Recently Kashmiri athlete Arif Khan was the only one representing India in Winter Olympics at Beijing. China did not seem to have an issue with it. Earlier they used to staple visas or reject visas of Indian citizens from parts of India.

Is China finally accepting Kashmir as integral part of India?
 

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Recently Kashmiri athlete Arif Khan was the only one representing India in Winter Olympics at Beijing. China did not seem to have an issue with it. Earlier they used to staple visas or reject visas of Indian citizens from parts of India.

Is China finally acceptin Kashmir as integral part of India?

China will accept whoever controls the territory.
 

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Funny logic, their are China born athletes competing for US in the Olympics, does it mean China accepts China being part of US? Some US born athletes also compete for China, doesn it mean US is part of China?
 

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