India to conduct first user trial of Agni-V missile

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India to conduct first user trial of Agni-V missile​

While single-warhead missiles are generally launched against one target, the MIRVed missiles can dispense warheads against multiple targets.

BHUBANESWAR: India is set to conduct the first user trial of nuke capable intercontinental-range ballistic missile (ICBM) Agni-V signalling its early induction in the armed forces. Elaborate preparation has started at a defence facility off Odisha coast for the mission by the Strategic Forces Command of Indian Army. As per the schedule learnt by TNIE, the 5,000-km range missile is likely to be flight-tested on September 23.

Initially planned to be inducted in 2020 after the hat-trick pre-induction trials in 2018, the process was reportedly delayed due to Covid-19 pandemic that affected some important tests of the missile with multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles (MIRV). The mission has been planned close on the heels of the successful trial of Agni Prime missile, the first of the new class of Agni series of missiles, developed by DRDO. The three-stage solid-fuelled weapon with advanced guidance and new generation propulsion was fired with multiple independently targetable reentry warheads on June 28.

Defence sources said the next trial of Agni-V missile assumes significance as it may be equipped with the MIRV capable of carrying multiple warheads. Though the MIRV capability of the missile was secretly tested during a multi-satellite launch, no live launch has been conducted so far. “For the first time, the indigenous MIRV technology was tested successfully in Agni P missile with the weapon delivering two manoeuvrable warheads at two separate locations. The MIRV capability of Agni-V will give India the much needed deterrence,” said the sources.

While single-warhead missiles are generally launched against one target, the MIRVed missiles can dispense warheads against multiple targets. The technology will minimise the requirement of a number of missiles providing an edge in battle preparedness.A senior defence official said the induction process of the most potent game changer Agni-V has begun and the successful user trial would pave the way for its serial production. The canisterised missile is equipped with a ring laser gyroscope based inertial navigation system and micro inertial navigation system.

Developed by DRDO, the missile is capable of hitting targets in all Asian countries and parts of Africa and Europe. With a wiring of around seven-km, the 17-metre long, 2-metre wide, three-stage, solid-fuelled missile can carry a payload of 1.5 tonne and weighs around 50 tonne. India is the eighth country to have intercontinental ballistic missiles after the US, UK, Russia, China, France, Israel and North Korea.
 

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Wasn't the rumored ICBM called Surya?

Placeholder name when they hadn't quite figured out how Agni would evolve program wise.

It is subsumed now under Agni 6.

Honestly Agni 6 is low priority....as we do not really need that land-component w.r.t resource allocation....given Agni 5 covers pretty much we need already from land.

Far better for India to allocate and produce more in SLBM domain and MIRV those....and make the SSBNs as survivable as possible.

Saving money from Agni 6 and deploying there instead would be more optimal approach IMO.
 

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Placeholder name when they hadn't quite figured out how Agni would evolve program wise.

It is subsumed now under Agni 6.

Honestly Agni 6 is low priority....as we do not really need that land-component w.r.t resource allocation....given Agni 5 covers pretty much we need already from land.

Far better for India to allocate and produce more in SLBM domain and MIRV those....and make the SSBNs as survivable as possible.

Saving money from Agni 6 and deploying there instead would be more optimal approach IMO.

Agni-6 is basically "Agni-5 Perfected".

Yes, A5 covers our currently required range envelope, but only with unitary warheads. Even this supposed MIRV test* is likely to only allow reduced-range.

We need A6 if we want to throw any kind of decent MIRV payload (like 6 x 500kg) over that same 5,000-km range. Against a country with an intent for established BMD capabilities + established intent for countervalue/counterforce arsenal like China, only a MIRVed missile (for both land & sea launch) is likely to provide true deterrence.

* I'll only believe it when I see it, not the first time media has been wrong about MIRV...though now is as good a time as any to begin the process of testing the MIRV bus (nevermind the reduced range) considering the range ship INS Dhruv is now fully operational.
 

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Agni-6 is basically "Agni-5 Perfected".

Yes, A5 covers our currently required range envelope, but only with unitary warheads. Even this supposed MIRV test* is likely to only allow reduced-range.

We need A6 if we want to throw any kind of decent MIRV payload (like 6 x 500kg) over that same 5,000-km range. Against a country with an intent for established BMD capabilities + established intent for countervalue/counterforce arsenal like China, only a MIRVed missile (for both land & sea launch) is likely to provide true deterrence.

* I'll only believe it when I see it, not the first time media has been wrong about MIRV...though now is as good a time as any to begin the process of testing the MIRV bus (nevermind the reduced range) considering the range ship INS Dhruv is now fully operational.

I partially agree and normally (if India was a higher tier nuclear power) I would fully agree with you.

But India is a warhead deficit and (relative) missile surplus country.

It has to make each warhead as survivable as possible....and nothing beats an SSBN for that.

I'm not saying scrap A-6 or something, but it should come 2nd to getting MIRV SLBM (given India is also SSBN deficit)....given the warhead numbers and what the survivability is for above water assets/facilities regarding them (ceterus paribus w.r.t opponents).

It is after that priority is addressed, further expanding MIRV capacity for land based missiles should be accomplished to have best chance to defeat any extensive BMD opponents may have.

As much of the triad should be underwater mobile as possible IMO for maximum deterrence given its apex survivability.

Now I am of course assuming everything "race circuit wise" is starting at same time (for sake of argument).

But in reality, if say A-6 is 90% done and needs 10% more for the finish.....and say the reverse for SLBM MIRV....of course it makes lot more sense to finish A-6 first and have it in hand.

This is probably much closer to the present situation in India...if one compares the current K-4 energy, #stages and volume envelope with its peers in other navies...to consider what might be timeline for K-5 and K-6 (MIRV I believe) and also considering the timeline for the SSBNs themselves.
 

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I partially agree and normally (if India was a higher tier nuclear power) I would fully agree with you.

But India is a warhead deficit and (relative) missile surplus country.

It has to make each warhead as survivable as possible....and nothing beats an SSBN for that.

I'm not saying scrap A-6 or something, but it should come 2nd to getting MIRV SLBM (given India is also SSBN deficit)....given the warhead numbers and what the survivability is for above water assets/facilities regarding them (ceterus paribus w.r.t opponents).

It is after that priority is addressed, further expanding MIRV capacity for land based missiles should be accomplished to have best chance to defeat any extensive BMD opponents may have.

As much of the triad should be underwater mobile as possible IMO for maximum deterrence given its apex survivability.

Now I am of course assuming everything "race circuit wise" is starting at same time (for sake of argument).

But in reality, if say A-6 is 90% done and needs 10% more for the finish.....and say the reverse for SLBM MIRV....of course it makes lot more sense to finish A-6 first and have it in hand.

This is probably much closer to the present situation in India...if one compares the current K-4 energy, #stages and volume envelope with its peers in other navies...to consider what might be timeline for K-5 and K-6 (MIRV I believe) and also considering the timeline for the SSBNs themselves.

True - SSBN/SLBMs should receive priority.

However, the enrichment activities in India have seen a massive expansion post-2013. Think about it, we need approx 200 new warheads just for the S-5 class.

There is no way this program is going ahead until & unless there has been an increase in production of both WG-U & WG-Pu.
 

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True - SSBN/SLBMs should receive priority.

However, the enrichment activities in India have seen a massive expansion post-2013. Think about it, we need approx 200 new warheads just for the S-5 class.

There is no way this program is going ahead until & unless there has been an increase in production of both WG-U & WG-Pu.
I think we already have agni 6 or whatever you call it in advanced phase .


It isn't surya etc anything that's all rumors .

It's a missile with 3 ton payload for 5500 km with composite stage and mirv capabilities and most probably it is k 5 itself . K4 is a state of art missile in it's class , you can compare it to best in range vs weight , that's why agni 1p is a beast .

Our future ground based fleet would be

Prahar /pranash Upto 400 km ,
Pralay Upto 700 km
Shaurya and follow on 700-1500 km
Agni 1 p 2000 km
K5 based missile 5000-8000 km
Agni 3p for 2000-5000 km (if exist) otherwise K4 variant

Rest all including agni 5 are going to be like good ol'boys , above ones will be our tungsten arrows .

Sea based is K5 and K4 , sagarika is for intermittent role .
 

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5 spies were caught. I think that's delaying the user flight trials.
They are just contractors and you can find same low grade catches after every couple of years . I am still not sure why they expose them just use them to feed the information they wish to
 

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I think something is going on ,if you keep tab on news , more than hundred people have been caught For spying etc in last few months .

It don't seem so normal
They are just contractors and you can find same low grade catches after every couple of years . I am still not sure why they expose them just use them to feed the information they wish to
 

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Personally I don't like the design ,too heavy a design , a new ICBM is required with composite motors and what's the obsession with pointy missile (this isn't the dictator movie ) .

Minimalist design....since its just single warhead. It is similar with number of minuteman series.

Ogive fairing is just one more thing that can go wrong....so I guess they chose not to have it till its proper MIRV.
 

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Minimalist design....since its just single warhead. It is similar with number of minuteman series.

Ogive fairing is just one more thing that can go wrong....so I guess they chose not to have it till its proper MIRV.
Mirv is almost there , remember agni 1 anti airfield warhead .

Well there are atleast two more ICBM in development (name not specified , except few calling nsurya and agni 6 ) ,but they have heavy throwaway weight and much more compact deriving from k4 and a1p
 

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Mirv is almost there , remember agni 1 anti airfield warhead .

Well there are atleast two more ICBM in development (name not specified , except few calling nsurya and agni 6 ) ,but they have heavy throwaway weight and much more compact deriving from k4 and a1p

This was a user trial so hence the regular deployed design.

We have all seen the slide presentation with the MIRV concept by now I am sure.....fairing and all.

Compact stubby ICBM ecosystem will definitely be priority given that is where the focus must lie (to assure maximum return on deterrence from investment i.e underwater SLBM driven)....rather than going for larger bulkier bigger + heavy missiles (given setting of our priorities).

I would say Agni V is volumetrically the high water mark needed as is.....it can reach 10k km range or more with relevant variants....doing volume calc of even solid fuel energy imparted....vis a vis its contemporaries.

Agni III (which later led to Agni V) when I first saw it I already knew this is volumetrically more than enough to work with to evolve all the variants needed. It was marked change from the pencil missile agnis before it.
 
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