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Hello Nilgiri,
How is India's relationship to Myanmar, Maldives and the Seychelles? or what describes it best?

Is India's maritime strategy directed towards the South-China-Sea or more towards the West? respectively towards the Eastern seaboard of Africa?
 

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Hello Nilgiri,
How is India's relationship to Myanmar, Maldives and the Seychelles? or what describes it best?

Is India's maritime strategy directed towards the South-China-Sea or more towards the West? respectively towards the Eastern seaboard of Africa?

Myanmar its complicated.

They were good under the prior democracy movement era (Aung San Suu Kyi cohabiting with the junta in parliament etc till certain things she said suddenly upset them and the crackdown +civil war commenced).

Lately it is mixed bag and awkward given the civil war. We still maintain working relationship with the junta (given the strategic importance of burma to india), but it has noticeably cooled. Only with resolution of myanmar politically can there be improvement in relations.

Maldives is small country yet vital one given its expanse in indian oecan. Currently the relations are very good, there is a pro-India administration in power (post 2018 and 2019 elections).

The previous one it replaced was more pro-China (worrying India).

This article gives context on this and also India's applied interest to developing the southernmost Addu island (with possible long term military strategic use in mind):



As for seychelles and rest of indian ocean islands, relations are very good. But of course there is cat and mouse competition with China here in economic matters (all downstream strategy flows from this economic relationship).

India is looking to establish a military base in the Seychelles and is completing one already with Mauritius from remote sensing seen recently.

Mauritius has the strongest relationship with India in the IOA, half or more of its population is ethnically Indian etc.
 

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Thanks, very informative reply

As for India interested in competing or reducing Chinese influence in the Indian ocean and towards Africa's Eastern shores makes sense to me - but what is the objective behind India's push towards the South-China-Sea? - leaving aside it's joint oil/gas exploration with Vietnam.
Or rather the question; is India actually taking QUAD serious?
 

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Thanks, very informative reply

As for India interested in competing or reducing Chinese influence in the Indian ocean and towards Africa's Eastern shores makes sense to me - but what is the objective behind India's push towards the South-China-Sea? - leaving aside it's joint oil/gas exploration with Vietnam.
Or rather the question; is India actually taking QUAD serious?

By push towards SCS, do you mean this expansion and deepening of relations with Vietnam and sale of brahmos system to philippines?

It is mostly legacy and protracted response to how PRC has armed Pakistan over the years (and continued to do so).....so that there is a bedrock formed there to take further later as India's arms production capability improves in future.

i.e addressing their own worries and the various deterrence tiers needed towards the PRC vast growing forces....much like how it was done so in Pakistan's case towards India.

There is not really a concerted overt push (of say how PRC has managed to do in IOA area in various ways) as India has much to do in its closer neighbourhood first....and much needs to be done in growing and developing its economy and military as well before it can make larger forays past it.

That is more the realm of US and its allied forces that have the force + economic capacity to spare and implement there.
 

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99 year lease to PRC SOE company AFAIK (as part of new agreement given SL not being able to meet loan repayment)...and especially with current economic crisis SL is facing, I doubt SL will be able to renegotiate that again as some of their politicians were pushing for afterwards.

But so far no PLAN ships have been sighted using it.....unlike some other navies:


I don't think PRC is interested (at least too soon) in testing these waters and overtly alarming India, Quad etc.

Heavy USN and JMSDF presence all across their eastern seaboard is their main agenda challenge this decade.

PLAN needs Srilanka gov permission every time they need to berth a vessel in that port. Given the present situation and the Indian credit line extended to Srilanka I doubt they are getting a green flag anytime soon. But they can berth their non-armed survey ships (EW capable) which is the problem.

I also think, given out past history the credit line extended to Srilanka isn't totally humanitarian in nature.
 

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India, Vietnam Ink Military Pact, Can Now Use Each Others Defence Bases​

India has oil exploration projects in the Vietnamese waters in the South China Sea. India and Vietnam have been boosting their maritime security cooperation in the last few years to protect common interests.


All IndiaPress Trust of IndiaUpdated: June 08, 2022 12:35 pm IST

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India and Vietnam on Wednesday inked a vision document to further broad-base the "scope and scale" of defence ties by 2030 and sealed a mutual logistics support pact to allow militaries of the two sides to use each other's bases for repair and replenishment of supplies.

The signing of the two documents after Defence Minister Rajnath Singh's "fruitful" talks with his Vietnamese counterpart General Phan Van Giang in Hanoi, is seen as a major upswing in India-Vietnam strategic ties amid common concerns over China's increasing muscle-flexing in the South China Sea.

The Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) on mutual logistics support is the first such major agreement that Vietnam has signed with any country. The pact will allow the militaries of the two sides to use each other's bases for repair and replenishment of supplies.

"In these times of increasing cooperative engagements between the defence forces of the two countries, this is a major step towards simplifying procedures for mutually beneficial logistic support and is the first such major agreement which Vietnam has signed with any country," the Defence Ministry said.

It further said that India and Vietnam continue to have the "most trustworthy relations in contemporary times with broader convergence of interests and common concerns." Mr Singh arrived in Vietnam on Tuesday on a three-day visit.

"Had an excellent meeting with General Phan Van Giang, the Defence Minister of Vietnam. We renewed interactions on expanding bilateral cooperation. Our close Defence and Security cooperation is an important factor of stability in the Indo-Pacific region," Mr Singh tweeted.

The joint vision document provides for significant expansion of defence ties in diverse areas by 2030, officials said.

"We had wide-ranging discussions on effective and practical initiatives to further expand bilateral defence engagements and regional and global issues," Mr Singh said.

"After our fruitful deliberations, we signed the 'Joint Vision Statement on India-Vietnam Defence Partnership towards 2030', which will significantly enhance the scope and scale of our defence cooperation," he added.

The signing of the vision document to expand bilateral defence and security ties came amid growing congruence between the two countries in the maritime security domain amid China's increasing muscle-flexing in the region.

Mr Singh is also scheduled to call on Vietnamese President Nguyen Xuan Phuc and Prime Minister Pham Minh Chinh.

Mr Singh and Gen Giang also agreed for the early finalisation of the USD 500 million defence Line of Credit (LoC) extended to Vietnam by India.

The Defence Ministry, in a statement, said the implementation of the projects under the LoC will add substantially to Vietnam's defence capabilities and further Prime Minister Narendra Modi's vision of 'Make in India, Make for the World'.

Mr Singh also announced gifting of two simulators and monetary grants towards setting up a language and IT laboratory at the Air Force Officers Training School for capacity building of the Vietnamese armed forces.

The Defence Minister began his visit by paying respects to late President Ho Chi Minh at his mausoleum in Hanoi.

He also visited Tran Quoc Pagoda, a revered Buddhist temple which reaffirmed the age-old civilisational and people-to-people linkages between the two countries.

Vietnam, an important country of the ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations), has territorial disputes with China in the South China Sea region.

India has oil exploration projects in the Vietnamese waters in the South China Sea. India and Vietnam have been boosting their maritime security cooperation in the last few years to protect common interests.

The Defence Ministry described Vietnam as an important partner in India's Act East policy and the Indo-Pacific vision, adding both countries share a rich history of civilisational and cultural linkages spanning over 2,000 years.

It said bilateral defence engagements have expanded over a period of time to include wide-ranging contacts between the two countries, including through defence policy dialogues, military-to-military exchanges, high-level visits, capacity building and training programmes and cooperation in the UN peacekeeping and bilateral exercises.

Relations between the two countries were elevated to the level of 'strategic partnership' during the visit of Vietnam's then Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung to India in July 2007.

In 2016, during Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Vietnam, bilateral relations were further elevated to a 'comprehensive strategic partnership'.

Vietnam has become an important partner in India's Act East policy and the Indo-Pacific vision.


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It's great that the friendship between Vietnam and India is getting closer and closer.

Btw, My old account Viva_Vietnamm is lost, can you help me take it back, bro ??
 

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By push towards SCS, do you mean this expansion and deepening of relations with Vietnam and sale of brahmos system to philippines?
No, and I think it is any countries free decision as to what sovereign country they are willing to supply with weapons or humanitarian/economic aid.
As for enhancing/setting up military alliances - well that might proof to be a touchy issue.:)
It is mostly legacy and protracted response to how PRC has armed Pakistan over the years (and continued to do so).....so that there is a bedrock formed there to take further later as India's arms production capability improves in future.

i.e addressing their own worries and the various deterrence tiers needed towards the PRC vast growing forces....much like how it was done so in Pakistan's case towards India.
Personally I would wish that China could reduce it's support in regards to Pakistan towards neutrality and instead move on to improve ties with India considerably.
Maybe due to India beholding a democratic election systems (very prone to be influenced by outside forces) make such a move kind of unpredictable for China.
There is not really a concerted overt push (of say how PRC has managed to do in IOA area in various ways) as India has much to do in its closer neighbourhood first....and much needs to be done in growing and developing its economy and military as well before it can make larger forays past it.
Agree
 

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Have we seen any of these doing so?
Yeah probably once or twice a year to make a point. They always have around 2-3 survey ships I think in Indian ocean streching from djiboti to Indonesia.

both are tailed by either IN or USN ships in IOR always.
 

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No, and I think it is any countries free decision as to what sovereign country they are willing to supply with weapons or humanitarian/economic aid.
As for enhancing/setting up military alliances - well that might proof to be a touchy issue.:)

Personally I would wish that China could reduce it's support in regards to Pakistan towards neutrality and instead move on to improve ties with India considerably.
Maybe due to India beholding a democratic election systems (very prone to be influenced by outside forces) make such a move kind of unpredictable for China.

Agree

This podcast episode might be of interest to you to listen in:

 

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Thats so good, its time for India bro to give CN a hard slap like VN did in 2014 conflict, so CN will never dare to make trouble for India again <3

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DateMay 1, 2014 - July 16, 2014
LocationWaters near South China Sea, southern region Paracel Islands
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15°29′58″N 111°12′01″ECoordinates:
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ResultChina withdrew the oil rig
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1 drilling platform, 6 warships, 40 coast guard vessels, over 30 transport ships and tugboats, 34-40 ironclad fishing boats, Su-27[citation needed] and Shaanxi Y-8 patrol planes[1]60 vessels: coast guard, fisheries surveillance and wooden fishing boats[1][2]
None1 fishing boat sunk[3]


Binh Duong-Dong Nai riots/ (protest in 2014)​

Both Bình Dương and Đồng Nai provinces are highly industrialized and have a dense concentration of foreign-invested industrial parks. Anti-China demonstrations here quickly developed into a full-scale worker riot, where factories were looted, smashed, or burnt. Swarms of rioters on motorbikes mistakenly targeted South Korean, Taiwanese, Japanese, and Singaporean businesses as Chinese and vandalized them.

Formosa Ha Tinh Steel Mill riot[edit]​

Formosa Ha Tinh Steel Company and associated port facilities in Vung Ang, Hà Tĩnh Province in central Vietnam, 250 kilometers (155 miles) south of Hanoi, are operated by the Taiwanese conglomerate Formosa Plastics Group, one of the largest foreign investors in Vietnam. The complex employs more than 2,600 foreign workers, among whom more than 1,500 are Chinese nationals. Friction arose between locals and foreign workers, and clashes broke out sporadically. [28] In 2013, a Taiwanese accountant was stabbed to death in one such clash. [29]

On May 11, a 1,000-strong group of workers and locals formed an anti-China parade that turned into a riot. The mob stormed the steel mill, lit fires at the furnace and several buildings, and hunted down the Chinese workers. At least one Chinese worker was killed, and 90 were injured. [30]

 

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It was the first time ever that the Vietnam People’s Army (VPA) was undertaking a Field Training Exercise with any foreign Army. The fact that Vietnam chose India for this honour, speaks volumes about the value the two countries place on their mutual relationship.

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New Delhi [India], August 18 (ANI): The Vietnam-India Bilateral Army Exercise VINBAX 2022 concluded at Chandimandir with an impressive display of Multi Agency Humanitarian Assistance in Disaster Relief (HADR) demonstration and an equipment display showcasing the Make in India and Atmanirbhar Bharat initiatives.

The exercise had commenced on 01 August and was focused on deployment of Army Engineer and Medical teams in UN Peacekeeping operations, reported the Ministry of Defence press release.

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It was the first time ever that the Vietnam People’s Army (VPA) was undertaking a Field Training Exercise with any foreign Army. The fact that Vietnam chose India for this honour, speaks volumes about the value the two countries place on their mutual relationship.

Over a period of three weeks, the soldiers of the two Armies rubbed shoulders with each other learning from each other and sharing best practices, added the release.

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Vietnam has deployed a contingent in UN peacekeeping operations for the first time in South Sudan while India has a long and rich tradition of contributing to UN peacekeeping operations. The contingents from the two countries underwent theory classes followed by practical exercises to validate the learning.

The final validation exercise nicknamed ‘Men in Blue’ was built around the setting up of a base in a remote African location faced with myriad challenges, read the release.

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The closing ceremony was attended by Pham Sanh Chau the Ambassador of Vietnam to India and a high-level observer delegation of VPA who had flown down especially for the purpose.

On the Indian side Lt Gen Nav Kumar Khanduri, GOC in C Western Comd presided over the event which was hosted by Lt Gen Pratik Sharma, GOC Kharga Corps.

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Speaking on the occasion the dignitaries emphasised the close relationship and convergence of interests between Vietnam and India, added the release.

The next edition of VINBAX will be hosted in Vietnam in 2023.

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India and Vietnam share a Comprehensive Strategic Partnership and defence cooperation is a key pillar of this partnership. Vietnam is an important partner in India’s Act East policy and the Indo-Pacific vision. (ANI)

This report is auto-generated from ANI news service. ThePrint holds no responsibility for its content.
 

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New Delhi [India], August 18 (ANI): The Vietnam-India Bilateral Army Exercise VINBAX 2022 concluded at Chandimandir with an impressive display of Multi Agency Humanitarian Assistance in Disaster Relief (HADR) demonstration and an equipment display showcasing the Make in India and Atmanirbhar Bharat initiatives.

The exercise had commenced on 01 August and was focused on deployment of Army Engineer and Medical teams in UN Peacekeeping operations, reported the Ministry of Defence press release.

ANI-20220818124300.jpeg




It was the first time ever that the Vietnam People’s Army (VPA) was undertaking a Field Training Exercise with any foreign Army. The fact that Vietnam chose India for this honour, speaks volumes about the value the two countries place on their mutual relationship.

Over a period of three weeks, the soldiers of the two Armies rubbed shoulders with each other learning from each other and sharing best practices, added the release.

ANI-20220818124315.jpeg


Vietnam has deployed a contingent in UN peacekeeping operations for the first time in South Sudan while India has a long and rich tradition of contributing to UN peacekeeping operations. The contingents from the two countries underwent theory classes followed by practical exercises to validate the learning.

The final validation exercise nicknamed ‘Men in Blue’ was built around the setting up of a base in a remote African location faced with myriad challenges, read the release.

ANI-20220818124331.jpeg


The closing ceremony was attended by Pham Sanh Chau the Ambassador of Vietnam to India and a high-level observer delegation of VPA who had flown down especially for the purpose.

On the Indian side Lt Gen Nav Kumar Khanduri, GOC in C Western Comd presided over the event which was hosted by Lt Gen Pratik Sharma, GOC Kharga Corps.

ANI-20220818124344.jpeg


Speaking on the occasion the dignitaries emphasised the close relationship and convergence of interests between Vietnam and India, added the release.

The next edition of VINBAX will be hosted in Vietnam in 2023.

ANI-20220818124355.jpeg


India and Vietnam share a Comprehensive Strategic Partnership and defence cooperation is a key pillar of this partnership. Vietnam is an important partner in India’s Act East policy and the Indo-Pacific vision. (ANI)

This report is auto-generated from ANI news service. ThePrint holds no responsibility for its content.
Vietnam and India are both concerned about China's behavior

In fact, Vietnam and India have much in common. Both are ranked among the fastest growing economies of Asia and the world. Both Hanoi and New Delhi aim to enhance peace and stability in the Indo-Pacific region through multi-faceted cooperation, especially promoting peaceful dialogue, mutual respect, and compliance. international law.

In particular, India and Vietnam have common interests, share common values, converge many similarities as emerging economies and important countries in maintaining supply chains. globally (replacing China) in Asia. This has consumed a lot of paper and has been discussed by many experts over the past time, after the global "disillusionment" with a supply chain that is only focused and overly dependent on China has revealed a lot. weaknesses during the Covid-19 pandemic as well as from the outbreak of the US-China trade war.
Along with that, according to Indian media, the "glue" that binds Hanoi and New Delhi also comes from the fact that both countries are deeply concerned about China's expansionist policies and belligerent behavior in the region. Indo-Pacific region. But all must bear in mind an important point that Vietnam and India have had a Comprehensive Strategic Partnership since 2016 and defense cooperation has always been the mainstay of this special partnership. .

Regarding defense cooperation, the first milestone in cooperation in this field between Vietnam and India The Memorandum of Understanding on defense cooperation in 1994 was signed between the two countries. However, it was not until India successfully tested nuclear weapons in 1998 that defense cooperation between Vietnam and India was officially launched. Agreements and commitments on bilateral military-defense-security cooperation have expanded over the past time, including wide-ranging high-level contacts between leaders and officials of the two countries, including: to the Defense Policy Dialogues, military exchanges between the heads of the Vietnam - India Defense Ministry, a series of high-level visits, regularly maintained training and capacity building programs, demonstrate high political confidence.
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Outgoing VN ambassador to India talks about the growing defence ties (like VINBAX) and also commercial and cultural ties.

Very well spoken and passionate gentleman.

His successor hopefully continues the positive trajectory as well as possible.

 

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India has signed a significant export order for missiles, rockets and ammunition to Armenia as the Asian nation is engaged in a prolonged border conflict with neighbour Azerbaijan. The government to government route was used to sign a number of contracts for the supply of arms and ammunition to Armenia earlier this month.

While the value of the contracts has not been revealed, it is estimated that weapons worth over Rs 2,000 crore will be supplied to the country over the coming months.
India has been making significant efforts to increase weapons exports, with policy reforms and active support of the government to secure overseas orders.

Sources told ET that the order includes the first-ever export of the indigenous Pinaka multi-barrel rocket launchers that are already in service with the Indian Army. The potent weapon has been designed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and is manufactured by private sector companies in India. The Army has recently placed orders for six additional Pinaka regiments and is testing extended range rockets as well.

India will also supply anti-tank rockets as well as a range of ammunition to Armenia under the bundled deal. This is not the first time that weapon systems have been exported to Armenia. In 2020, India beat competitors from the region to supply four Swathi radars to the nation for an estimated Rs 350 crore.

Designed to the specifications of the Indian Army, these radars are used to track incoming artillery shells, mortars and rockets and give a pinpoint location of enemy launchers and positions. The radars have been successfully employed on both Pakistan and China borders.

India has been making focused efforts to increase defence exports, with a target of Rs 35,000 crore worth of equipment to be sold abroad by 2025. Last year, annual defence exports were close to Rs 13,000 crore, driven primarily by the private sector.

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Good deal. But not sure how MLRS will help Armenia at this point. Should have ordered Air defence guns and missiles. But long term, if they do survive the drones will be good for offence
 

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