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At the end of May, the Air Force will have 24 Rafale fighter jets in India, with another seven kept for training purposes in France and only five more to be handed over before the two squadrons are complete.

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With another batch of four Rafale fighters landing at Ambala from Merignac-Bordeaux airbase in France on May 19-20, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is all set to resurrect the 101 “Falcons of Chamb” squadron at Hashimara in West Bengal even as advance units have already moved into the new base.

While the exact date of Rafale landing in India will be determined by availability of mid-air refuellers of the UAE Air Force and weather conditions, it is quite evident that the full deliveries of 36 aircraft will be completed well before April 2022 as announced by Union defence minister Rajnath Singh in Parliament. At the end of May, the IAF will have 24 Rafale fighter jets in India, with another seven kept for training purposes in France and only five more to be handed over before the two squadrons are complete.

The last five aircraft may be delivered in the second-half of 2021 as Egypt has placed an order of 30 Rafale fighters.

The home base of second squadron is getting readied at Hashimara with repaved extended runways, ammunition depots, blast pens and personnel accommodation apart from maintenance bays. “The Hashimara air base has been totally revamped and should be operational by end of this month. This will be the peace time location of the aircraft but in war times, the fighters will operate from anywhere in the country as per war plans,” said an Air Marshal.

With India likely to buy more front-line fighters to complete the stalled requirement of 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA), the French have not only offered hot engine technology to India but are also willing to jointly develop extended range and capability Hammer air-to-ground missile under the Atmanirbhar Bharat route. French engine manufacturer Safran has already conveyed the offer for jointly developing aircraft engines upto 100 Kilo Newton thrust as well as share the hot engine technology which Indian allies in the west are reluctant to share.

France has also offered to share and jointly develop technology for longer range and heavier Highly Agile and Manoeuvrable Munition Extended Range (Hammer) missile which is currently part of the weapons package on the Indian Rafale. With a range of over 70 kilometres, the Hammer weapon can be guided on to the target using GPS, Inertial Navigation and Infra-red seeker with the capability to adjust to target location mid-air using maps for course correction. The latest version of this weapon has a 1,000 kilogram bomb and with laser guidance technology.

“The Rafale package is a game-changer in the region as none of India’s adversaries have such capability to wage war beyond visual range,” said an IAF Air Marshal.

India ordered 36 warplanes from France (equivalent of two squadrons) in 2016 for ₹59,000 crore under a government-to-government deal.

 

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I won't be surprised if govt. orders additional batch of rafales
36 does not have any strategic impact least they have some tactical impact. The money they have already invested on the infra and pilots , clearly indicates India will go for atleast 2-3 more squadrons .

I don't give a damm to TOT but the least French can help us is with proper sensor fusion and help with the development of Tejas Mark2
 

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I won't be surprised if govt. orders additional batch of rafales
They wont order any after the present crisis. Its going on the back burner. Modi needs to spend on the next elections and strengthening the ground forces facing china to avoid another slap on the face during the next elections. All the funds will be redirected to these areas.

Also as usual the opposition will come up with conspiracy of bribery thats bad for the already tainted macho image of modi.
 
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They wont order any after the present crisis. Its going on the back burner. Modi needs to spend on the next elections and strengthening the ground forces facing china to avoid another slap on the face during the next elections. All the funds will be redirected to these areas.
The defence budget is already allocated, how you think the pandemic will have any effect on future procurement .
Nation and its security is bigger then Modi and his next elections
 

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They wont order any after the present crisis. Its going on the back burner. Modi needs to spend on the next elections and strengthening the ground forces facing china to avoid another slap on the face during the next elections. All the funds will be redirected to these areas.

Also as usual the opposition will come up with conspiracy of bribery thats bad for the already tainted macho image of modi.
very baseless comment.
defense budget has nothing to do with modis spending
 

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The defence budget is already allocated, how you think the pandemic will have any effect on future procurement .
Nation and its security is bigger then Modi and his next elections
very baseless comment.
defense budget has nothing to do with modis spending
Wonder why boeing-tata transport contract is still pending even though budget was allocated and set aside in 2018. Priorities

If Nationals security was top priority you would have had your 126 Rafales by 2014. What about the follow on orders for SPH & M-777, scorpions? What happened with the funding of the additional mountain division?

Nothing is bigger than politics in india. Covid just proved it when the PM held election ralies in march even though he himself warned the CMs of all states a 2 weeks prior about the impending second wave.

Anyway I dont want to divert this thread with politics. Wait and see how it will play out. When it does Ill surely be around to say I told you so.
 

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Wonder why boeing-tata transport contract is still pending even though budget was allocated and set aside in 2018. Priorities

If Nationals security was top priority you would have had your 126 Rafales by 2014. What about the follow on orders for SPH & M-777, scorpions? What happened with the funding of the additional mountain division?

Nothing is bigger than politics in india. Covid just proved it when the PM held election ralies in march even though he himself warned the CMs of all states a 2 weeks prior about the impending second wave.

Anyway I dont want to divert this thread with politics. Wait and see how it will play out. When it does Ill surely be around to say I told you so.
Tata Boeing joint venture is going on they are producing the structures of Apache Helicopters in Hyderabad :

Regarding 126 Rafales what we said earlier is 2-3 more squadron will ensure count will reach around 100 and some of the load from the aircraft's will be reduced by S-400 .

I do not know what you want to say about M777 they are also getting inducted

Regarding scorpions submarines, I am still what you mean we have 6 panned and inducting them.

I am not sure about your love for Modi, but Elections in India are decided by the Election commission which is a constitutional body and has nothing to do with govt.
 

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At the end of May, the Air Force will have 24 Rafale fighter jets in India, with another seven kept for training purposes in France and only five more to be handed over before the two squadrons are complete.

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With another batch of four Rafale fighters landing at Ambala from Merignac-Bordeaux airbase in France on May 19-20, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is all set to resurrect the 101 “Falcons of Chamb” squadron at Hashimara in West Bengal even as advance units have already moved into the new base.

While the exact date of Rafale landing in India will be determined by availability of mid-air refuellers of the UAE Air Force and weather conditions, it is quite evident that the full deliveries of 36 aircraft will be completed well before April 2022 as announced by Union defence minister Rajnath Singh in Parliament. At the end of May, the IAF will have 24 Rafale fighter jets in India, with another seven kept for training purposes in France and only five more to be handed over before the two squadrons are complete.

The last five aircraft may be delivered in the second-half of 2021 as Egypt has placed an order of 30 Rafale fighters.

The home base of second squadron is getting readied at Hashimara with repaved extended runways, ammunition depots, blast pens and personnel accommodation apart from maintenance bays. “The Hashimara air base has been totally revamped and should be operational by end of this month. This will be the peace time location of the aircraft but in war times, the fighters will operate from anywhere in the country as per war plans,” said an Air Marshal.

With India likely to buy more front-line fighters to complete the stalled requirement of 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA), the French have not only offered hot engine technology to India but are also willing to jointly develop extended range and capability Hammer air-to-ground missile under the Atmanirbhar Bharat route. French engine manufacturer Safran has already conveyed the offer for jointly developing aircraft engines upto 100 Kilo Newton thrust as well as share the hot engine technology which Indian allies in the west are reluctant to share.

France has also offered to share and jointly develop technology for longer range and heavier Highly Agile and Manoeuvrable Munition Extended Range (Hammer) missile which is currently part of the weapons package on the Indian Rafale. With a range of over 70 kilometres, the Hammer weapon can be guided on to the target using GPS, Inertial Navigation and Infra-red seeker with the capability to adjust to target location mid-air using maps for course correction. The latest version of this weapon has a 1,000 kilogram bomb and with laser guidance technology.

“The Rafale package is a game-changer in the region as none of India’s adversaries have such capability to wage war beyond visual range,” said an IAF Air Marshal.

India ordered 36 warplanes from France (equivalent of two squadrons) in 2016 for ₹59,000 crore under a government-to-government deal.

These pose real threat to Pakistan. I think if India had these back in Feb 2019 things would have turned out badly for Pakistan. I don't think PAF have anything that can match these. Possibly the Blk 52 F-16s but their number is only 18 and even then they would probably struggle to put up with these Rafales. As I understand it Rafale is a potent fighter.

No idea what PAF will do now.
 

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These pose real threat to Pakistan. I think if India had these back in Feb 2019 things would have turned out badly for Pakistan. I don't think PAF have anything that can match these. Possibly the Blk 52 F-16s but their number is only 18 and even then they would probably struggle to put up with these Rafales. As I understand it Rafale is a potent fighter.

No idea what PAF will do now.
For PAF the only option left is joining the fifth gen program of either China or Turkey.
PAF can also arm latest jf-17 block 3 with pl-15 missles and can only outmatch via numbers but not with technology.
For long term relying on jf-17 block 3 would be suicidal for PAF since tejas mk2 would easily join IAF by 2027-2028 and would pose a greater threat.
It's radar is made for being a stealth killer.
 

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These machines are being operated well beyond their expiry dates. It's high time the production of LCA-Tejas is increased while simultaneously retiring all Mig-21s
 

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All credit to original owner (IAF).

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