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COVID restrictions have lifted and work has resumed. I am suddenly swamped with work, that's why I haven't been posting much recently.

Seeker (RF) indigenisation underway and to be ready soon. Seeker (optical) to start soon.

Not optical but a high resolution X-band Synthetic Aperture Radar(SAR) with monopulse homing capability.

Pics of the seeker:


Submarine launched Brahmos - if navy shows interest, ready to go
Go where ? None of our SSKs have VLS anyway.


Oh and the Stand Off Anti-Tank(SANT) missile was tested today. Another one tomorrow :


The missile has 20km range with both LOBL & LOAL modes. Probably fired from an IAF Mi-35 attack helo. Here is an old photo of the SANT being fired off from the Mi-35 :
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Here is a HELINA being fired from the ALH Rudra :
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The 2 missiles are almost identical because they are members of the same family. The HELINA is IR guided 7km range. The SANT has a W-band active homing seeker.

There is another variant of the missile known as the Dhruvastra which is almost the same as HELINA but it features a Jet Vane Control :
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The Dhruvastra has LOAL or LOBL modes. In addition to the top attack :


& direct attack capability :


Since Dhruvastra has more features & capabilities it is likely to enter service. HELINA was probably a TD project. Its likely both the Dhruvastra & SANT will be used to arm drones in the future.
 

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Some salient points:

Existing missiles can be upgraded (range extension).

Air launched version range also to be increased.

Seeker (RF) indigenisation underway and to be ready soon. Seeker (optical) to start soon.

Plans to increase current model to near Mach 5.

Brahmos II - to be hypersonic, to use DRDO scramjet

Brahmos NG underway, same range as current, smaller size/weight, can be deployed on more platforms.

Submarine launched Brahmos - if navy shows interest, ready to go

Export plans/policy - MEA/PMO matter

All these updates and news were always there. Infact Vietnam has been requesting the missiles for quite sometime. We didn't sell it for one we know which country relationship.

Atleast in missile scenario I am not worried by their development. I am worried by the budgetary allocation to actually induct these missiles when ready. Our budget is stretched and even BMD hasn't been sanctioned though it's ready since last 3-4 years. They would be formidable defence when inducted in significant numbers. Any country would think twice before doing some mischief.
 

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Not optical but a high resolution X-band Synthetic Aperture Radar(SAR) with monopulse homing capability.

I was assuming they would have a dual mode seeker for the 2nd version (I think he implies ready in about 2 years).

But seems you are correct, this is basically X-band improvement for jamming resistance....and 1st version ready soon will be basic indigenous version of the current one that's mechanically steered I assume.

Go where ? None of our SSKs have VLS anyway.

I was thinking for now it can be tested with Arihant...provided Navy modifies Arihant FCS for it etc given VLS tube there is obv big enough physically and we can compare with K-15 dimensionally.

The interview itself was in context of project 75.
 

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Some salient points:

Existing missiles can be upgraded (range extension).

Air launched version range also to be increased.

Seeker (RF) indigenisation underway and to be ready soon. Seeker (optical) to start soon.

Plans to increase current model to near Mach 5.

Brahmos II - to be hypersonic, to use DRDO scramjet

Brahmos NG underway, same range as current, smaller size/weight, can be deployed on more platforms.

Submarine launched Brahmos - if navy shows interest, ready to go

Export plans/policy - MEA/PMO matter
Until Brahmos M is released I will be a bit skeptical about all these plans.
 

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4000KM????

Other news sources report 4000km rather being the distance of the aircraft (from the airbase to interdict target):

The aircraft had taken off from an airbase in Punjab and destroyed a target ship located 4,000 km away in the Bay of Bengal after mid-air refuelling. It is the second such successful test of the missile, news agency ANI reported quoting government sources.

 

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Other news sources report 4000km rather being the distance of the aircraft (from the airbase to interdict target):

The aircraft had taken off from an airbase in Punjab and destroyed a target ship located 4,000 km away in the Bay of Bengal after mid-air refuelling. It is the second such successful test of the missile, news agency ANI reported quoting government sources.

oh that explains.

the last time I heard India is working on 800KM Brahmos, suddenly it becomes 4000.
 

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India To Carry Out Multiple Launches of Brahmos Supersonic Cruise Missiles By Month-End​



New Delhi: Amid the continuing tensions with China, India is all set to showcase the huge firepower of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile by the month-end because the three defence forces would perform a number of firings of the Defence Analysis and Growth Organisation (DRDO) developed missile system within the Indian Ocean Area within the final week of this month.

(more at link)
 
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India To Carry Out Multiple Launches of Brahmos Supersonic Cruise Missiles By Month-End​



New Delhi: Amid the continuing tensions with China, India is all set to showcase the huge firepower of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile by the month-end because the three defence forces would perform a number of firings of the Defence Analysis and Growth Organisation (DRDO) developed missile system within the Indian Ocean Area within the final week of this month.

(more at link)

Is it really a DRDO developed missile system?

I believe Russians may disagree.

Considering that the -mos in "Brahmos" specifically refers to the river in Moscow and considering the eery similarities with other exported anti ship missile systems such as the Yakhont, would the Russians agree with such an announcement?
 

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Is it really a DRDO developed missile system?

I believe Russians may disagree.

Considering that the -mos in "Brahmos" specifically refers to the river in Moscow and considering the eery similarities with other exported anti ship missile systems such as the Yakhont, would the Russians agree with such an announcement?
It started out as a JV and still is. "Brah" refers to the river Brahmaputra while "Mos" refers to river Moskva. DRDO is working on increasing the indigenous content in the missile. They might as well spin out a completely indigenous supersonic AShCM

India Test Fires BrahMos Supersonic Missile Fitted With Indigenous Seeker​

https://thediplomat.com/2018/03/ind...rsonic-missile-fitted-with-indigenous-seeker/

Brahmos Missile Successfully Test Fired with Indigenous Booster
http://www.brahmos.com/newscenter.php?newsid=219
 
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Is it really a DRDO developed missile system?

I believe Russians may disagree.

Considering that the -mos in "Brahmos" specifically refers to the river in Moscow and considering the eery similarities with other exported anti ship missile systems such as the Yakhont, would the Russians agree with such an announcement?

The first JV was flouted in 2000-01. Drdo has come a long way since then. Not diminishing Russian assistance, but this air missile and ER, NG are purely Indian efforts. For the air launched missile, Russian assistance was limited to modification of Su 30 undercarriage even though actual work was done by HAL.
We still pay our licensing fee as per their inputs and content on every missile though.
 

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Is it really a DRDO developed missile system?

I believe Russians may disagree.

would the Russians agree with such an announcement?

It was jointly developed, so either country can say that they developed it.

The statements worded like this have been made multiple times before with no complaint from Russia.
 

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India and Philippines to sign BrahMos cruise missile deal​

India and Philippines are reportedly planning to sign BrahMos supersonic cruise missile deal next year as remaining issues are expected to be resolved by next month.

According to a Hindustan Times report, the deal will be signed during a potential summit between Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte.

The summit is expected to be held in February. However, the details are yet to be finalised.
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The deal will make the Philippines the first nation to purchase the weapon system, which is developed jointly by India and Russia.

The two countries have been negotiating to reach the deal since last year. The agreement was expected to be finalised earlier this year. However, the Covid-19 pandemic pushed back the signing.

India and the Philippines were expected to sign a defence cooperation and procurement agreement, including the BrahMos deal, this month. The parties failed to sign the deal due to the absence of one of the authorities, causing further delay.

Sources told the Hindustan Times that a team from BrahMos Aerospace, the joint venture (JV) that manufactures the missiles, is expected to visit the Philippines next month to resolve the remaining issues of the proposed deal.

One of the sources was quoted by the publication as saying: “The BrahMos team is expected to iron out a few kinks and address some small issues so that the deal can be signed during the upcoming summit. Everything else has been worked out.”

The Philippines Army selected BrahMos following extensive trials. The weapons system will be delivered to the Philippines Army’s first Land Based Missile System Battery.

In September, India tested the extended-range variant of BrahMos supersonic cruise missile. The variant has a range of more than 400km.

https://www.army-technology.com/news/india-philippines-brahmos-cruise-missile/
 
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The first JV was flouted in 2000-01. Drdo has come a long way since then. Not diminishing Russian assistance, but this air missile and ER, NG are purely Indian efforts. For the air launched missile, Russian assistance was limited to modification of Su 30 undercarriage even though actual work was done by HAL.
We still pay our licensing fee as per their inputs and content on every missile though.

If the latter variants were purely the result of Indian efforts alone, they would not be variants of the original missile. Rather, they would be cleansheet bespoke designs from the start.

Payment of license fees is further indication that the Intellectual Property belongs to a Russian enterprise.
 
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It started out as a JV and still is. "Brah" refers to the river Brahmaputra while "Mos" refers to river Moskva. DRDO is working on increasing the indigenous content in the missile. They might as well spin out a completely indigenous supersonic AShCM

India Test Fires BrahMos Supersonic Missile Fitted With Indigenous Seeker​

https://thediplomat.com/2018/03/ind...rsonic-missile-fitted-with-indigenous-seeker/

Brahmos Missile Successfully Test Fired with Indigenous Booster
http://www.brahmos.com/newscenter.php?newsid=219

As such, would it qualify as a "DRDO developed missile system"?
 

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Indian Army test fired the 290 km ranged land attack version of supersonic cruise missile BrahMos from Andaman & Nicobar Islands today.
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Today's BrahMos test was a complex mission. It had 3 way points unlike just 1 in earlier tests & the missile hit the target after making three curves (in a bid to avoid obstacles mid way). The test was a success.
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Launch Video :


Apparently there is a 1500km version under development :

India now working on 1,500-km range BrahMos supersonic cruise missile​


New Delhi: India Tuesday began a series of tests of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, even as work goes on to extend its range. ThePrint has learnt that India is working on a 1,500-km range version of the system that can be launched from land, water or air.

BrahMos, the only supersonic cruise missile in the world that flies at three times the speed of sound (2.8 Mach), currently has a range of 290 km, but efforts are also on to extend this to 400 km.

The Army carried out the first of several ‘live missile tests’ of the 290-km range BrahMos in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. The Navy and the Air Force — which has fitted its Sukhoi Su-30 MKI fighters fitted with the BrahMos — are also likely to carry out tests this week.

Sources in the defence and security establishment said the test of the 400-km range of BrahMos conducted in September was successful, and talks are on with the three Services to extend the range of the missiles within a scheduled time period.

A hypersonic version of the missile — which flies at over five times the speed of sound — is also being worked upon, and sources said the target is to test an 800-km range BrahMos next year.

“The team is also working on a 1,500-km range missile,” a source said, adding that initially, this will be a land-based missile.

“But once the system is proven, it will need just some modifications to fire from the air and water,” the source said.

https://theprint.in/defence/india-n...nge-brahmos-supersonic-cruise-missile/550924/

The 1500 km version is likely to borrow tech from the Shaurya missile. The older version of the Shaurya was capable of reaching 1900 km with a 200 kg warhead with a max speed of Mach 7.5.
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It is not known what the current version of the Shaurya is capable of. The Strategic Forces Command(SFC), India's nuclear command, has land(silos & truck mounted) & naval(nuclear submarines) versions of the missile deployed.
 

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Indian Army test fired the 290 km ranged land attack version of supersonic cruise missile BrahMos from Andaman & Nicobar Islands today.
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Today's BrahMos test was a complex mission. It had 3 way points unlike just 1 in earlier tests & the missile hit the target after making three curves (in a bid to avoid obstacles mid way). The test was a success.
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Launch Video :


Apparently there is a 1500km version under development :

India now working on 1,500-km range BrahMos supersonic cruise missile​




https://theprint.in/defence/india-n...nge-brahmos-supersonic-cruise-missile/550924/

The 1500 km version is likely to borrow tech from the Shaurya missile. The older version of the Shaurya was capable of reaching 1900 km with a 200 kg warhead with a max speed of Mach 7.5.
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It is not known what the current version of the Shaurya is capable of. The Strategic Forces Command(SFC), India's nuclear command, has land(silos & truck mounted) & naval(nuclear submarines) versions of the missile deployed.
Any updates regarding the miniaturized air-launched version of the Brahmos dubbed as the Brahmos Mini or Brahmos NG!! Will it have a range of 400km like the current production models or limited to 290km?
 

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