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Budget and geopolitic-wise, I'd argue that Superhornets block III is much better option than Vipers :

- Cheaper
- AESA already
- it's basically navy fighters, perfect for our archipelago especially if we want to use them around Natuna sea.
- probe refuelling ability
- A400M friendly.

Anyway, the Germans also decided to pair Superhornet block III with Eurofighters T4.
- Doule engine to 🤩
Dont know why but i am bit of fans of those super hornet
 

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it's basically navy fighters
This can also be considered as a drawback. While I understand that naval fighters have some extra protection against corrosion compared to land-based ones, but they also need to be strengthened more to withstand carrier operations which add more weight and, most likely, also compromised performance.

It's too bad that they have stopped producing AV-8 / Harrier jump jets because if it's for point defense at and around Natuna, I'd argue that this kind of plane is more suitable than CTOL fighters.

Note: I'm excluding F-35B for obvious reasons.

perfect for our archipelago
Unless if you include combat radius into equation. The same can be said about Vipers though.
 

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In early 2022, there will be Singapore Airshow, we can see clearer of what will happen through out 2022 from that single event.
If it will still runs on schedule.

Fingers crossed, hopefully no further f*ck up regarding this damn virus will affect future shows. I'm still pissed that DSEI Japan had to be postponed due to the Omicron variant which may also affect others.
 

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As long as the money cair lol. For Egyptian case, we can see that Rafale is relatively fast on their delivery to the costumer. Deal was done in February 2015, Egypt received first at July 2015. CMIIW

Just saying, US will not gonna let Egypt to use AMRAAM from their hundreds of F-16s, at least not in near time. So their F-16 can only use Sidewinder and Sparrow. To accommodate their needs to engage further target, they need Rafale, MIG, and Su-35 that has no restriction from the producers countries.

I see US put "Oh no, aku gak liat" behavior towards Egypt acquisition of Su-35 and other Russian weapons. They only warned the Egypt, but doing nothing, kind of let Egypt do that, don't forget their Junta government also lol. Myanmar, Thailand and Egypt are basically same, but US approach to each countries are different. US relatively still friendly to Egypt and Thailand. The military was did the coup against Morsi who democratically elected as President. As expected, UAE is friendly to the junta rather to the MB/IM, same as UAE's approach towards Tunisian President and Libyan then Tobruk based Khalifa Haftar who was fought against Qatari backed UN recognized Government in Tripoli. Looks like if Khalifa Haftar won presidential election this month, he would normalize Libya-Israel relation, his son was seen went to Israel last or couple of months ago. MBZ seems doesn't have a slice care to democracy, Arab Winter is better for him than Democracy but accommodate Islamists to be on the government.

Fuck, unrelated but worth telling.
 

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And for EF somehow in the near future there will be quite a number of seken plane available, we can quickly increase jet fighter number with this, we can upgrade it or keep it as is and mainly use it for intercept duty.

While I don't think that there will be decent number of seken Rafale.

The availability of Tranche 1 is indeed aplenty. From RAF and Luftwaffe alone there'll probably be about 60+ Tranche 1 available soon. RAF even use them only about 40% of their airframe lifespan. It means whoever got them can still fly them for the next 20 years. Pretty sure they'll offer Tranche 1 as interim if we decided to buy the latest ones.

Not trache 1, they're a dead end.

Tranche 1 doesn't have air-to-ground capability. It hasn't incorporated AESA and Meteor as well. But, apart from the Austrian ones, Tranche 1 can still fire AIM-120C/D. It's still capable enough for air defense.
 

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and upgrading that can add cost and time, so, shall we seek for the gress one
How about Gress and seken combo and mix them for each squadron.
Tranche 1 will be for Air to air duty- intercept, escort etc.

How much money can we expect to be spent on new fighter acquisition (excluding for LIFT and IFX) in this decade, does it reach $10 bil?
 

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Anyway, the Germans also decided to pair Superhornet block III with Eurofighters T4.
They were pushed to get Superhornet due to nuke platform delivery agreemant with US. They dont get clearence to use Euro FIghter as nuke droping platform from US, obviously US pushed to her own domestic fighter product.

Here are some of my view after late reading some of the posts here:

  • With AUKUS being introduced it makes things abit more complicated regarding both Rafalle & Eagle II (the plan to stationed long range US bomber in Australia further complicate things)
  • Indonesia & US havent signed defense cooperation agreemant they decided to do, it is still on progress. With this and the AUKUS, the US decission to sell one of their sophisticated weapon to us become more sensitive/bringing greater risk to them
  • With AUKUS, the Rafale is automatically become the most logical fighter for diversivication, specially with def arrangement already been signed (Indoensia & France) and can be upgraded into further closer/bigger form. Before AUKUS we need France more, after AUKUS france need us more as well so if we managed to close the deal both side will get the benefit in economic, defence cooperation, more security footing for both side (France has small island over pacific) and diplomacy bargaining chip toward other form of power that has interest in the region
  • Where is the money for Rafale? Like I said before, there are other way to do it and its up to 01 if he want it to happen or not, and yes we do have the money for RMP (Rupiah Murni Pendamping) if he wants to.
  • Eurofighter chance is getting slimmer as AUKUS formed
  • Latest ASEAN-Russia Naval exercis further show our commitment to be neutral as we put our most sophisticated Naval asset in the exercise just like Vietnam, Thailand, and myanmar. On the other note SIngapore only bring their small corvette. (diplomatic language)
  • In todays situation those Fighters we are going to bring has more weight in defense diplomacy more compare to Op Req.
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  • With AUKUS being introduced it makes things abit more complicated regarding both Rafalle & Eagle II (the plan to stationed long range US bomber in Australia further complicate things)
  • Indonesia & US havent signed defense cooperation agreemant they decided to do, it is still on progress. With this and the AUKUS, the US decission to sell one of their sophisticated weapon to us become more sensitive/bringing greater risk to them

Two highlights from your arguments which suggest that our chance of getting BOTH Rafale & Eagle 2 would be very slim.

This would mean only Rafale (adding the numbers to 48+) or replace the Eagle 2 with another fighter. Spec wise, the one capable to replace Eagle 2 are Eurofighters or Flankers. Not sure if MoD would be willing to sacrifice the requirements and switch to single engine jets like Falcons/Gripens instead.
 

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Two highlights from your arguments which suggest that our chance of getting BOTH Rafale & Eagle 2 would be very slim.
Not very slim, its just more tricky. Just like how Aussie Submarine plan unfolded into nuke sub thus killing the deal with France, that show how things could go when one strong nation starting to play their "muscle diplomacy" card. Not necessarily whats going to happen to us, it just a reflection on how things could go on a different direction we intended to be. In the end our national interest must be the first one we have to serve, not others.
This would mean only Rafale (adding the numbers to 48+) or replace the Eagle 2 with another fighter. Spec wise, the one capable to replace Eagle 2 are Eurofighters or Flankers. Not sure if MoD would be willing to sacrifice the requirements and switch to single engine jets like Falcons/Gripens instead.
Spec is being looked at after operational requirement are set. Our current dillema is more towards fulfilling op req, defense diplomacy/security and allign that with future air defense posture. We cant have them all at the current situation, we must sacrifice some to get some. And those issues are the reason why Viper is still on the table.
 

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Finnish media reported they got the info that F-35 is win the HX competition. Still no official statement about it. It's a late post actually, the news was from few days ago.
 
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