Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Umigami]

Another French visit

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1596117087403245570

 

[Anmdt]

Turkey have been developing their own version of AIM-120 called the Peregrine (Gökdoğan).

It's a BVRAAM with an estimated range of 65km.

@Anmdt is this tested using F-16 already?

So far it is tested on F-16, TurAF has a test-regiment consisting of F-4s (retired), F-16s, and range is reported to be more than 65 km. 65km is the minimum requirement by TurAF, missile is capable of more.

Only certified for F16

I doubt if it is "legally" certified. So whatever trick SAGE has pulled there might enable it to be integrated with different platforms. If they have made it possible for F-16, the missile can be integrated on any aircraft which manufacturer supports.

 

[Umigami]

So far it is tested on F-16, TurAF has a test-regiment consisting of F-4s (retired), F-16s, and range is reported to be more than 65 km. 65km is the minimum requirement by TurAF, missile is capable of more.

I doubt if it is "legally" certified. So whatever trick SAGE has pulled there might enable it to be integrated with different platforms. If they have made it possible for F-16, the missile can be integrated on any aircraft which manufacturer supports.

I can see it can be use for F16 and maybe Boramae (if Idn can persuade Korean enough)
but F15 and Nassams? I don't think so.

Still, it can release some pressure for AMRAAM demand though.

 

[Anmdt]

I can see it can be use for F16 and maybe Boramae (if Idn can persuade Korean enough)
but F15 and Nassams? I don't think so.

Still, it can release some pressure for AMRAAM demand though.

Brand new F-15s wouldn't be possible. What is making RF BVR missiles is the radar guidance and target update. Gokdogan will be used more effectively at greater ranges with a proper AESA radar and data link.

Indonesia should have bargaining power for the weapon integration. I remember Korea has given green-light for that matter while inviting TR into the project and negotiating matters.

NASAMS is a ground based system with radar integration and so on, so yes not possible unless it is must be done.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1573096862265098243

Jdam kit turning it become long range stand off missile. Might be good additional for F15ID.

 

[Umigami]

Brand new F-15s wouldn't be possible. What is making RF BVR missiles is the radar guidance and target update. Gokdogan will be used more effectively at greater ranges with a proper AESA radar and data link.

Indonesia should have bargaining power for the weapon integration. I remember Korea has given green-light for that matter while inviting TR into the project and negotiating matters.

NASAMS is a ground based system with radar integration and so on, so yes not possible unless it is must be done.

What how is its production rate?
They must be prioritizing Turkish Air Force demand first.

 

[Anmdt]

What how is its production rate?
They must be prioritizing Turkish Air Force demand first.

In earlier times SAGE wasn't an institution who can produce anything but the prototypes, then leasing the serial production.

But, now they can establish their own serial production line or lease it and establish it elsewhere. So, it is hard to give a number on that.

 

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1573096862265098243

Jdam kit turning it become long range stand off missile. Might be good additional for F15ID.

It doesn't exist yet. And there's no production line atm.

The winged jdam is a more possible candidate. If it was up to me, we should lobby the congress to sell us at least 50 JASSM baseline, 100 SLAM-ER, 100AGM-84, LJDAM kits in the quadruple digits in addition to the AMRAAMs and Sidewinders.

 

[Umigami]

Do we need to deploy Nassams to all our power grid?
Are there any cheaper more effective option?

 

[Madokafc]

Do we need to deploy Nassams to all our power grid?
Are there any cheaper more effective option?

Not even the Russian and US can do that, and protected all of their power grid with SAM system even with cheaper manpads. Indonesia has hundreds thousand kilometer long power transmision system, thousand upon thousand power grid nodes distributed Among scattered islands within. The only thing you can do is to protect the major power plant like strategic Paiton projects and such. For the power grid system the best government can do is to provide back up system and spare part to replace the damaged system. Or encourage the population to have back up diesel power generator at their own home....


The thing is as archipelago country, Indonesia should have more powerful air Superiority thus long range fighter to intercept the threat before they can reach Indonesian soil, that's why high performance fighter, better distribution and overlapping GCI radar along with Naval supremacy is a must.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1596683817204400128

 

[Umigami]

 

[Madokafc]

Oh no feel sorry for our esteemed Korean boo where is Indos right now?

 

[Umigami]

I never dream we would start designing our own fighter jet after IFX. I just hoping we could open local assembly here, producing some aero parts, and could put our weapon of choice to it.

 

[Madokafc]

Btw Indonesia should also trying to license production the likes of frontline fighter or maybe loyal wingman platform for now

 

[Madokafc]

I never dream we would start designing our own fighter jet after IFX. I just hoping we could open local assembly here, producing some aero parts, and could our weapon of choice to it.

We should and also must, aircraft Industry and manufacturing is a must have industry for any large country which has ambition to become global player

The choice is actually plenty as there is several top notch aircraft manufacturing in the US who has several Prototype but lose the government tender because some reason, that's including several excellent platform with good performance and low cost manufacturing but lose because of political issue.

 

[Umigami]

frontline fighter

What's your recommendation?

 

[Umigami]

We should and also must, aircraft Industry and manufacturing is a must have industry for any large country which has ambition to become global player

The choice is actually plenty as there is several top notch aircraft manufacturing in the US who has several Prototype but lose the government tender because some reason, that's including several excellent platform with good performance and low cost manufacturing but lose because of political issue.

Say hey to this happy boy

But this is US we are talking about. It might still hard to get it from there.

Let's have a talk with our Turkish friend.

 

[Madokafc]

What's your recommendation?

Something light, easy to manufacturing, has ready to use technology and lower cost

Something like F20 tigershark come in my mind but with more powerful sensor and payload

AIDC F-CK 1 Ching Kuo, even built a new platform cooperated with nation like French and Britain is very possible and even Turkey along with Israel as they are very experience in this field and can help Indonesia more

 

[Gary]

Basically what he said is what people has been saying since PDF days, but somewhat one member couldn't digest.