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Without nukes,Russia will be gone now invaded by Nato and Putin will be hang on street

Leadership of a country that doesn't actively finds way to acquire nukes are criminal.

They should be assumed to work for foreign governments and interests.
 

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Without nukes,Russia will be gone now invaded by Nato and Putin will be hang on street

And why would anyone invade Russia at all? A white Christian country with 145 million people and all the resources, land and water you can imagine could have now been a EU and NATO member instead and the Russians would probably have a standard of living that is closer to that of Central and Western Europe instead of Central Asia. The EU and NATO would be pleased to have such a country as it's member even if they are a nuclear power but instead the Russians prefer to invade foreign lands and to kill and destroy their "brothers" and talk about nuclear strikes on Berlin, Warsaw and London etc...

And again- read about the USSR- it collapsed without the West firing even a bullet at them. The West now is braking the teeth of the Bear without even a single NATO soldier on Russian soil.
 

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Any insult or name-calling is in violation of forum's policy. I suggest everyone follows the rules.
 

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Yet,we havent seen one hit from these fantastic weapons.
And why would they show this all of a sudden,why choose CNN to show?
This whole back and forth by Israel and Iran is fishy,nothing makes sense.
I call it all bs.

do you remember how it was CNN who gave Erdogan his speech on TV during the coup. The american owned media entity was on hand to give erdogan a life line.
 

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Different situation,not comparable.

you not find it interesting how CNN seems to support the islamist side? while say fox news supports the zionist side? Basically the leftist side gets support from CNN, while the right wing gets support from fox. But both are western/american owned media entities. Are we just witnessing the Hegelian dialectic in play? Because what we see with Iran/Isreal looks like no more then theatre.

We know isreal was created and maintained by the anglo american world. We also know the current ruling regime of Iran was put into power by America and the UK with France.

What is the outcome of the games taking place in the region? The Muslims sunnis are divided and destablised collectively.
 

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you not find it interesting how CNN seems to support the islamist side? while say fox news supports the zionist side? Basically the leftist side gets support from CNN, while the right wing gets support from fox. But both are western/american owned media entities. Are we just witnessing the Hegelian dialectic in play? Because what we see with Iran/Isreal looks like no more then theatre.
This is Iran,no side supports Iran and Iran normally doesnt allow any American news outlets to do such a report/interview.
 

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This is Iran,no side supports Iran and Iran normally doesnt allow any American news outlets to do such a report/interview.

Its not about "support" in a traditional sense, its about a game being played on the collective middle east. When we look at Isreal/Iran conflict, what is the actual outcome for the region? It basically further destabilises and undermines it. While Europeans are working to create a European union, eventually creating a unified army. The Muslim "Sunni" core is being relentlessly divided and undermined. And don't think of it in a religious sense, think of it as a political entity when i say "Muslim sunni core".

The Isreal/Iran conflict is creating two conditions in the region. 1 is about Israelis expanding their territory while also expanding their scope of operations in neighbouring nations. The fear certain arab countries have of Iran allows Isreal to enter their lands like a trojan horse. The second point is that Iran is basically spreading sectarianism/terrorism across the entire Sunni middle east. The more she spreads it, the less chance the sunnis can develop or organise among themselves in any serious capacity.

Meanwhile we look at this "war" between Isreal/Iran in the space of 40 years they have directly done next to no damage to each other, next to nothing. Turks sustained more loses over their incursion into Afrin, then the Isrealis or Iranians have experienced from being at war with each other over 40 years.

Let me add something else, Turkey was the centre of the Islamic world not so long ago. The westerners including Russia have done everything to make sure our former Christian subjects hate us. Today they are doing everything to make the Kurds hate Turks as another destabilising factor. In the arab middle east, the Muslims can still be brought under Turkish guidance and unity, its much harder to demonise the last caliphate among them, so what they do they do? They make sure the lands stay on fire.
 

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Yet,we havent seen one hit from these fantastic weapons.
And why would they show this all of a sudden,why choose CNN to show?
This whole back and forth by Israel and Iran is fishy,nothing makes sense.
I call it all bs.

There are vidoes from multiple angles confirming at least 5x BM hit on Nevatim air base. One of them managed to damage a C-130 as it was confirmed by US and Israel later.

 

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There are vidoes from multiple angles confirming at least 5x BM hit on Nevatim air base. One of them managed to damage a C-130 as it was confirmed by US and Israel later.
Come on man,how is this proof?
The base doesnt have cameras,why we only see it from a distance and how do you know those are missiles?
Why are they so slow?
If uav's,why the flares?
Its just set up this way for us to think its a real attack?
Go on youtube and see how a missile impacts a target.
 

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I have decided to update my assessment of the matter in light of new information that has emerged.

First of all, it is necessary to look at the profile of the ballistic missiles used by Iran. It seems that the missile that hit Israel's Nevatim air base turned out to be a Ghadr BF missile.


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The warheads used in the missile are designed to disperse in the air in a cone to make it difficult to be hit by missile defense systems.


As you can see, the only warheads from the 50 kg artillery rocket actually hit the target like this. Therefore, the number of ballistic missiles that hit Israel was probably 1-2, not 9-10.

The most distinguishable feature of the Ghadr compared to the older Shahab-3 is its conic nosecone with a ‘baby bottle’ cylindrical shape. This adjustment likely reduced the volume of the payload the missile could carry by about 20 percent and the Ghadr likely carries a 750 kg warhead compared to the 1,000 kg warhead designed for the Shahab-3. This denser warhead also increases the speed of its reentry vehicle, making missile defense intercepts more difficult.

A December 2008 report estimated a CEP of 300 m for the Ghadr-1, which has been echoed by more recent analysis
. More recent reports suggest Iran achieved this accuracy by equipping the Ghadr with a strap-down guidance package. If reports regarding the Ghadr-1 accuracy are correct, then it would be a significant improvement of the Shahab-3 (2,500 m CEP). Reports also indicate the possibility that Ghadr could be designed to carry a nuclear payload. This possibility is raised with uncertainty as the Ghadr appears to be comparable to the Shahab system, whose apparent goal is to obtain such a payload.

Here, CSIS defines the Ghadr ballistic missile as a missile with a 750 kg warhead, a range of 300 m, and most importantly, the potential to carry a nuclear warhead. Work on the missile started 16 years ago.

Now let's talk about the dilemma of Israel and its allies here. Iran attempted to fire around 120 missiles that night. However, Israel and its allies were able to intervene in half of this. In other words, a single Ghadr missile escaped from around 60-65 missiles and aimed those mini warheads at the target.

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The US and its allies should have destroyed the Ghadr missile in the launch or intermediate phase before it reached the terminal phase. Once the missile enters the terminal phase, it begins to "scatter" its warheads while diving.

For missile defense, the US used warships with this capability off the coast of Israel and Yemen, and missile defense systems stationed in Erbil and the Gulf countries. (Of course, we are making general assumptions here. However, in Saudi Arabia, they probably only used radars, etc. Otherwise, it does not appear that there was an active intervention.)

However, there are a few fine details here. First of all, this entire missile defense ecosystem (missile defense batteries and early warning radars and sensors stationed in Qatar-Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries) was used in "peacetime".

Fighterjet taking off from Gulf countries, Iraq and US aircraft carriers also took off in "peacetime". This is where the importance of war diplomacy and the involvement of countries in war comes into play.

The propaganda of Israel and its allies is that Arab countries are fully mobilized to defend them. However, such a thing is not the case.


Jordan had not opened its airspace to anyone. And fihterjets were patrolling the air not only for Iranian kamikaze but also for Israeli fighterjets.


Likewise, the United Arab Emirates did not cooperate with the USA and its allies against Iran's attack. There is no confirmed news that even the Saudis are cooperating with the coalition countries.

Therefore, if a state of war really occurs, Iran will ask its neighbors who have US military bases in their country to pacify the US military presence if they do not want to be a party to the war.

This also means that the data flow from the Kürecik Radar base to the USA should be actively cut off, and the radars in the Gulf countries should not lock Iran's air and missile assets.

Likewise, US fighterjets cannot take off from these countries, otherwise these countries will become parties to the war. It seems unlikely that Iran will go to war with the Gulf countries as long as they do not pose a threat to its existence.

As soon as the sensor-radar and missile defense batteries (Thaad-Patriot missile defense systems, etc.) that are a part of the missile defense systems in all countries in the region are pacified, the USA and its allies will be like birds with broken wings.

Even if they don't turn into birds, the US missile defense system assets that are so close to Iran are within artillery range in Erbil, for example. To protect all these systems, you need to assign a special Iron Dome to each of them.

Even if you achieve such a thing, all these beings will still be the subject of a small war of their own and will face a dilemma of whether to protect Israel or themselves.

I think it is now known to everyone that Israel and its allies, who cannot prevent a potential nuclear attack with ballistic missiles even in peace, will not even come close to being successful in war.

If we look at the different potential consequences of the issue based on a single event, if the Nevatim airbase that was hit was actually hit by a ballistic missile with a nuclear warhead; (Unless Israel had a different air base-fleet structure that could carry out a nuclear attack, unlike F-35 warplanes) the air force leg of the nuclear trilogy would be history.

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Come on man,how is this proof?
The base doesnt have cameras,why we only see it from a distance and how do you know those are missiles?
Why are they so slow?
If uav's,why the flares?
Its just set up this way for us to think its a real attack?
Go on youtube and see how a missile impacts a target.
Come on man, we answered all of these questions. I think you stopped reading this forum.
 

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Come on man,how is this proof?
The base doesnt have cameras,why we only see it from a distance and how do you know those are missiles?
Why are they so slow?
If uav's,why the flares?
Its just set up this way for us to think its a real attack?
Go on youtube and see how a missile impacts a target.

Israel decided to completely remove the US-made Patriot Air and Missile Defense Systems from its inventory due to its failure to stop Iranian ballistic missiles hitting Nevatim Air Base.

Even Israel has admitted that its missile defense system has failed.
 

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