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Ahah! So that's where the developmental prototype mock-up carbon fibre composite thingy with weird wings is stationed at nowadays!

Any news on the actual prototype btw?
 

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There will be several variants of the KE, twin engine, ghost, high speed etc. as. The TF6000 will probably be used in these.
Baykar is developing KE with Motor Sich engines. The final engine to be used is a derivative of the engines used in Chinese twin engined Hongdu JL-10 light attack/trainer jet. But these engines are of Soviet era technology. They were not built to be used in stealth planes. Or used in unmanned craft that can do manoeuvres that no manned jet can do. With sudden requirement of power and heavy loads on engines, the turbine blades and engine parts are going to be subjected to extreme stresses. This is when TF6000’s single crystal blades and new modern tech comes in to play.
Looking at KE, the design is of a very unstable looking plane. That means it will be very agile and quick in manoeuvring. To do it justice it’s needs a modern engine like TF6000.
Besides if we are going to have few hundreds of these planes with two or three different versions and some with twin engines, it would be stupid to import Ukrainian engines when we can use our own.
I only wish we had gone for a twin engined Hurjet. This engine would have been an ideal match for both trainer and light attack versions.
 
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Good points but I personally never seen Baykar mentioning the TF6000 even once.
Unfortunately it is normal practice for a private company to think of it’s bottom line profit before the needs of the country. If you are buying these engines at a very discounted price and have some form of organic connection with the company too, and the engine sort of meets the needs up to a point, you don’t look at more expensive solutions.
So they won’t mention TF6000 until the TSK and the government tells them to use it.
Or in the case of PD170 when they had to use it due to Rotax supply drying, when Mr Selcuk Bayraktar stated how impressed he was with the power output of that engine.
 

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Unfortunately it is normal practice for a private company to think of it’s bottom line profit before the needs of the country. If you are buying these engines at a very discounted price and have some form of organic connection with the company too, and the engine sort of meets the needs up to a point, you don’t look at more expensive solutions.
So they won’t mention TF6000 until the TSK and the government tells them to use it.
Or in the case of PD170 when they had to use it due to Rotax supply drying, when Mr Selcuk Bayraktar stated how impressed he was with the power output of that engine.
+1

In addition, after the war Ukraine is likely to acquire single-crystal technology from Western companies. In this case, Baykar will have to continue to use Ukrainian engines in order to reach Western markets through Ukraine.
 

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If not for KE,what will it be used for? I thought it was designed for drones like KE


Baykar can not wait untill the engine is finished and certificated. Untill it is finished they should buy the engines wherever they can find it. you can not jeopardise the project for TEI.
 

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Both I guess. An engine test happened not too long ago, which prototype was that? The first?
That was the 1st real prototype,
They have started or about to start another one.

Those control surfaces and actuators are quite preliminary, Baykar will get them in better shape complying with stealthiness requirements. I even doubt if it will with those control surfaces. Could be place holders.
 

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That was the 1st real prototype,
They have started or about to start another one.

Those control surfaces and actuators are quite preliminary, Baykar will get them in better shape complying with stealthiness requirements. I even doubt if it will with those control surfaces. Could be place holders.
I really hope those are place holders. While I found them actually suiting Akıncı, they ruin the look of a pristine jet.
 

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I really hope those are place holders. While I found them actually suiting Akıncı, they ruin the look of a pristine jet.
You are looking at an unfinished work. Artists wouldn't be artists when if looked at their unfinished work alone.
 

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That was the 1st real prototype,
They have started or about to start another one.

Those control surfaces and actuators are quite preliminary, Baykar will get them in better shape complying with stealthiness requirements. I even doubt if it will with those control surfaces. Could be place holders.
They're probably the actual actuators but they don't have their fairings installed yet. Even the Akinci has fairings for these actuators and it isn't even a stealth plane, so I'm quite certain Kizilelma will have them. I imagine Baykar is working on LO fairings like what the F-22 has. Internal actuators like on the F-35 would've been even better but I guess they would've driven the price up too much for not much benefit over stealthy fairings.
 

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