Macron: No apology for French crimes in Algeria

[Costin84]

You people are getting worse, just say sorry to Algerians.

You people? Lol...yeah...I genocided atleast 20 in the 60s when my father was a 13 year old guy growing up in commie Romania

 

[Oublious]

You people? Lol...yeah...I genocided atleast 20 in the 60s when my father was a 13 year old guy growing up in commie Romania

Yes you talking with a Armenian and Greece mouth.

 

[Costin84]

Yes you talking with a Armenian and Greece mouth.

You're confused, it's the voice of reason

 

[Xenon54]

Not exactly, Anatolia was homeland for Greeks and Armenians millenias before Turkic arrival....

So what?
By your argument you are also not native to Romania because god know where your ancestors came from.
Anatolia is the homeland of Turks deal with it.

 

[Costin84]

So what?
By your argument you are also not native to Romania because god know where your ancestors came from.
Anatolia is the homeland of Turks deal with it.

It's not about me dealing with it but about the fact that for Armenians and Greeks, Turks were occupiers of their homeland just like the French were for the Algerians.
With the peculiar difference that Greeks and Armenians weren't abducting Turks to sell them in markets as slaves for centuries before being invaded...like the Algerians did with Europeans.

 

[Xenon54]

It's not about me dealing with it but about the fact that for Armenians and Greeks, Turks were occupiers of their homeland just like the French were for the Algerians.
With the peculiar difference that Greeks and Armenians weren't abducting Turks to sell them in markets as slaves for centuries before being invaded...like the Algerians did with Europeans.

What has slavery to do with it?
So by your logic France was right about occupying Algeria because of slave trade and Armenians were right to take up army and rebel because Turks came later?
You once again make absolutely no sense...

Well anyways, Greeks learnt to deal with it and Armenians recently too, took them a century but they did, and the rest of you will also learn to deal with it one way or another.

 

[Costin84]

What has slavery to do with it?
So by your logic France was right about occupying Algeria because of slave trade and Armenians were right to take up army and rebel because Turks came later?
You once again make absolutely no sense...

Nope....there are historical factors everywhere ,that's what I'm saying....you, I, the average French,Turk of today have nothing to apologise for...

 

[GoatsMilk]

I suppose a big problem with France is that its still an empire that operates via occupation and subjugation. The relentless theft of Africa continues unabated.

When you look at the past 300 years european imperialism, global genocide and theft needs to be looked into. We know euro peoples love to attack and point fingers at non whites, so its only natural we should focus on their crimes which is truly global. Crimes that still continue today.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Because we all know if it comes to apologising for crimes of the past, europeans are going to be doing the most apologising. Something btw that euro origin peoples try to force on non white people.

This map is not 100% accurate but it gives you the truth behind euro hate of Turks. Unable to make Turks their slaves.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Only time euro peoples have any moral right to point fingers at the Turks is when they return north and south america to the natives, return africa to the africans, return Australia, and new zealand back to the natives if they still exist and for Russia to return her asian territories. Once all is done then calculations should be made to compensate these people for the death, destruction and theft.

After that happens i will be willing to listen to european concerns about Turkey. But we all know europeans give nothing away freely.

 

[ekemenirtu]

Macron should be sanctioned by Turkish, Algerian, Iranian, Pakistani and other allied and brotherly countries, and vessels and aircraft flying French flags over the airspace or the waters of Algeria and other brotherly and allied countries should be impounded without any prior warning as a stern measure against this radical extremist's irresponsible, criminal decisions.

This is all the reason why at least one country indigenous to the wider Middle East should be in possession of ICBMs and hydrogen bombs. Possession of nuclear deterrence would ensure that such sanctions and embargo imposed on French officials would have the required "bite".

 

[ekemenirtu]

Incorrect...Algerian guerillas systematically targeted and killed French and Muslim civilians ,using mutilations, beheadings as terror tools.

There were no French civilians in Algeria at the time of Algerian war of independence.

By default, any attacks on French occupiers were just and well deserved attempts to oust an occupying force. Most noble attempts by the brave Algerian resistance figures.

Beheading as tools of terror and intimidation, among many others, were used by the French invaders. You are correct on that.

That is all the more reason French invaders back then, and today, should be dealt with in the same manner. No less.

As they say, every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

 

[ekemenirtu]

The mods and admins can play their part. There is no need to be "intimidated" by French politicians.

Erase the French defence section from this forum.

This might be a just and well deserved sanction imposed on France for its ludicrous and criminal actions of the past and its current irrational intransigence.

 

[Costin84]

The mods and admins can play their part. There is no need to be "intimidated" by French politicians.

Erase the French defence section from this forum.

This might be a just and well deserved sanction imposed on France for its ludicrous and criminal actions of the past and its current irrational intransigence.

Are you for real ?

 

[Sinan]

The mods and admins can play their part. There is no need to be "intimidated" by French politicians.

Erase the French defence section from this forum.

This might be a just and well deserved sanction imposed on France for its ludicrous and criminal actions of the past and its current irrational intransigence.

Mods of this forum guarantees freedom of speech for everyone. Please don't go off-topic.

 

[Kaptaan]

USA built on genocide.
Russia endless list of genocides, including the soviets murdering 90 million people.
France literally a slaver state till to this very day.
Armenians slaughtered hundreds of thousands of muslims in the hopes of creating greater armenia.

The moral of the story is only the weak are forced to accept anything. So the solution is to become strong. The solution is not to pander to the enemy, the solution is to develop and advance. Then their accusations will be no more then piss in the wind.

Well said. This is exactly my thoughts over when Pakistan is accused of genocide in Bangla 1971.

 

[Chakib larbi]

little bit from what the civilised france did in algeria ...and sorry for those pictures

Spoiler: Images of violence and death(+18)

 

[Kaptaan]

We must excuse the settlement of the Americas, Australia, New Zealand etc. Vast lands, huge resources, empty praire, unused natural resources that were crying out for fresh blood from the densely packed European countries. This is as natural as air fills up vacuam. Or water flows and fills until level is reached

 

[Kaptaan]

We must excuse the settlement of the Americas, Australia, New Zealand etc. Vast lands, huge resources, empty praire, unused natural resources that were crying out for fresh blood from the densely packed European countries. This is as natural as air fills up vacuam. Or water flows and fills until level is reached

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Holy Fcuk, pardon my French but did I just find a justification for millions of 3rd worlders migrating to Europe from overcrowded countries? Mmmmmm .....

 

[Kaptaan]

Whilst my posts might have come across as flippant or even facetious but here is a fact. Humans have always been mobile as the out of Africa theory suggests it goes back to dawn of time. There is a population model theory called the Demographic Transition Model. in traditional societies populations remained more or less stable. However over the last few centuries as modern medicines, public health advances and agricultural output increased it led to deaths reducing but that left the birth rates still racing ahead. This led to massive, yes massive population growth. With time and maturation the birth rates also began to decline and often dropping to just replacement levels or even lower. UK probably was the earliest to see thisa when it';s population which probably was below 8 million trippled and then doubled from 1750s onwards. If you look at 1890s a average German woman was having 7 kids and I believe Swedes were churking out 9 kids per female. This pattern was repeated across all of Europe and that includes Eastern Europe.

Where did this massive surplus population go? You got it. They migrated to the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc displacing native population. For instance Native Americans literally got outbred by European migrant settlers. America was for a long time just a huge population pressure tank that took the excess populations from Italy, Greece, Estonia, Sweden, Germany, Ireland and other countries. Today of course it has began to serve as excess reservoir for Third World.

Going back to the subject of Algeria I see analogy between Ireland and Britain with Algeria/France. Many settlers moved from the British mainland to Ireland where much of the land was taken over by Anglo-protestant settlers. In Algeria many French settled and Algiers resembled Marseille much as Dublin resembled a British town.

Both countries fought bloody wars although in Ireland the picture was complicated and had a more convulated ending.