TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Jntrq]

I am not very clear on why we need to build land to land version of Atmaca given that we do have Bora missiles already. I do not think that it should be a priority at all

 

[Turko]

I am not very clear on why we need to build land to land version of Atmaca given that we do have Bora missiles already. I do not think that it should be a priority at all

First there is a problem with the defination. Noone meant that: land based Atmaca wont hunt ships! Unfortunately in Turkish we dont have a lot of technical teRms.

However Harpoon's can be used against stationary targets where you have to avoid high altitude radar dedection. Harpoon and atmaca are Cruise missiles which fly sneakly on surface.

So land based Atmaca will be de Coastal defense. Atmaca with 200km range will be great for defending east mediterrian EEZ . You dont have to send your ships to everywhere, having Coastal defense. Survelliance UAVs dedect Greek ships then Coastal defense engages them.

 

[Combat-Master]

Aselsan plays critical role in ATMACA AsHM success.
Aselsan produces Fire Control System, Seeker Head, Guidance Computer and Power Distribution Unit.

 

[Test7]

OMTAS, UMTAS, LUMTAS and 4 CIRIT can be used simultaneously with the Yalman Weapon System.

 

[Combat-Master]

OMTAS, UMTAS, LUMTAS and 4 CIRIT can be used simultaneously with the Yalman Weapon System.

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This must be the final version of pedestal mounted cirit launcher we saw from IDEF 2017.
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[Brave Janissary]

Sm-1 BlockVIA-B's in our inventory can be solution againts air launched exoceets and Harpoons of Frenchs and Greeks and Egyptians ?

There is a info about sm-1 and sm-2 block 1

source : https://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Weapons/US_Standard_Missiles.htm

So if we upgrade hims just with ins + autopilot who we already have , we can optimize his range and alttitude 102 km and 15 km alttitude from his original 74 km range and 24 km alttitude .

How and Why ?

Why : Just because max alttitude of f-18,rafale and f-16's around 15000 km with mission payload. 24 km alttitude is not needed. Missile spend 2x fuel for vertical ascend when compared horizontal flight. So that will give to missile extra 9x2 = 18 km horizontal range 74+18 = 102 km range + 15 km alttitude.

Air launched exocet range is 70 km harpoon is 120 km . İf pilot doesnt fire harpoon in 00:30-00:45 second they will be enter the range of air defence system.

Our perry's can launch missile with his standart configuration. They can work very well with smart-s mk2 + aselsan akr series fcs. With this improvement we can have 4 air defence frigate who have 32x 102 km ranged + 32 50 km ranged essm.

That is the fasters solution for us I think.

 

[Turko]

Sm-1 BlockVIA-B's in our inventory can be solution againts air launched exoceets and Harpoons of Frenchs and Greeks and Egyptians ?

There is a info about sm-1 and sm-2 block 1

source : https://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Weapons/US_Standard_Missiles.htm

So if we upgrade hims just with ins + autopilot who we already have , we can optimize his range and alttitude 102 km and 15 km alttitude from his original 74 km range and 24 km alttitude .

How and Why ?

Why : Just because max alttitude of f-18,rafale and f-16's around 15000 km with mission payload. 24 km alttitude is not needed. Missile spend 2x fuel for vertical ascend when compared horizontal flight. So that will give to missile extra 9x2 = 18 km horizontal range 74+18 = 102 km range + 15 km alttitude.

Air launched exocet range is 70 km harpoon is 120 km . İf pilot doesnt fire harpoon in 00:30-00:45 second they will be enter the range of air defence system.

Our perry's can launch missile with his standart configuration. They can work very well with smart-s mk2 + aselsan akr series fcs. With this improvement we can have 4 air defence frigate who have 32x 102 km ranged + 32 50 km ranged essm.

That is the fasters solution for us I think.

Upgrading SM-1 is impossible. İf you upgraded missiles somehow ( it would be harder than create a New Missile- needs more time) you couldnt intercept any Target from frigates. Because sm1s use semi-active guidance so you will need an illuminating radar which has power beyond 100km range.( Look s300 and patriot)
For now point defense is smarter until your Navy has Hisar G + with active seeker and much more capabilities. Exploiting what we have at hand then obtaining New complex systems is reasonable.

Very Soon we are going to have Hisar G+ , G40 , please be patient.

 

[Brave Janissary]

Upgrading SM-1 is impossible. İf you upgraded missiles somehow ( it would be harder than create a New Missile- needs more time) you couldnt intercept any Target from frigates. Because sm1s use semi-active guidance so you will need an illuminating radar which has power beyond 100km range.( Look s300 and patriot)
For now point defense is smarter until your Navy has Hisar G + with active seeker and much more capabilities. Exploiting what we have at hand then obtaining New complex systems is reasonable.

Very Soon we are going to have Hisar G+ , G40 , please be patient.

We have Aselsan Akr-d Block 2 for this job bro.

 

[Anmdt]

First there is a problem with the defination. Noone meant that: land based Atmaca wont hunt ships! Unfortunately in Turkish we dont have a lot of technical teRms.

However Harpoon's can be used against stationary targets where you have to avoid high altitude radar dedection. Harpoon and atmaca are Cruise missiles which fly sneakly on surface.

So land based Atmaca will be de Coastal defense. Atmaca with 200km range will be great for defending east mediterrian EEZ . You dont have to send your ships to everywhere, having Coastal defense. Survelliance UAVs dedect Greek ships then Coastal defense engages them.

SOM + Booster = land based cruise missile , in my opinion.
Launching missiles /rockets is harder at sea and requires additional implementations due to motion of the vessel ,and easier on the land because the radar/or launching site is fixed at the moment of launch. So technically the harder part has been achieved.

 

[Turko]

We have Aselsan Akr-d Block 2 for this job bro.

Ohh ASELSAN's radar looks great but upgrading old sm1's is still impossible. The ASELSAN STIR will suit Hisar G and G40.

 

[Brave Janissary]

Ohh ASELSAN's radar looks great but upgrading old sm1's is still impossible. The ASELSAN STIR will suit Hisar G and G40.

This ships already equipped with essm mate our priority is long range . Even iran can be able modified sm-1's with buk missiles active radar seekers and add him booster in the end they create a succesfull air defence system sayyad series.

Look mate ;

Sayyad-2: 40–45 km (standart sm-1 blockVIA)
Sayyad-2C: up to 75km ( standart sm-1 blockVIA with upgrade like I stated)
Sayyad-3: 120-150 km ( + Boostered Version)


İf İranian's made him we can make more better than him . That's not my best option but when french armada coming we cant have any alternative today.

 

[Jntrq]

First there is a problem with the defination. Noone meant that: land based Atmaca wont hunt ships! Unfortunately in Turkish we dont have a lot of technical teRms.

However Harpoon's can be used against stationary targets where you have to avoid high altitude radar dedection. Harpoon and atmaca are Cruise missiles which fly sneakly on surface.

So land based Atmaca will be de Coastal defense. Atmaca with 200km range will be great for defending east mediterrian EEZ . You dont have to send your ships to everywhere, having Coastal defense. Survelliance UAVs dedect Greek ships then Coastal defense engages them.

I am totally with you regarding costal defense purpose of Atmaca which would be land to sea version. I was kinda surprised to hear in the Ismail Demir’s interview at Atv that there is a project for land to land version of Atmaca, which confused me a bit. Hope he meant it for coastal defense as you pointed out, which is a top priority

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1300358778206945280

 

[Oublious]

I am not very clear on why we need to build land to land version of Atmaca given that we do have Bora missiles already. I do not think that it should be a priority at all

Bora will be never like Atmaca, Atmaca have pin point accuracy with radar in front and they will probably ad IIR seeker like SOM. Ballistic missile are more for building or store.

 

[Combat-Master]

SOM + Booster = land based cruise missile , in my opinion.
Launching missiles /rockets is harder at sea and requires additional implementations due to motion of the vessel ,and easier on the land because the radar/or launching site is fixed at the moment of launch. So technically the harder part has been achieved.

IMO, if they add IIR seeker to ATMACA as they plan to do so in Block II. There is no need for surface launched SOM, surface launched SOM would be more handicapped at range and warhead capacity.

ATMACA being dual purpose, coastal defence and surface launched cruise missile is pretty exciting. We wait patiently for Gezgin which I suspect is just ATMACA XXXL.

 

[Anmdt]

IMO, if they add IIR seeker to ATMACA as they plan to do so in Block II. There is no need for surface launched SOM, surface launched SOM would be more handicapped at range and warhead capacity.

ATMACA being dual purpose, coastal defence and surface launched cruise missile is pretty exciting. We wait patiently for Gezgin which I suspect is just ATMACA XXXL.

I thought they are going to add a booster to SOM
Could we say SOM series is focusing on air launched versions and optimized for these purpose, while atmaca series is focusing on surface launched ones?
and which one delivers more payload?

 

[Turko]

I thought they are going to add a booster to SOM
Could we say SOM series is focusing on air launched versions and optimized for these purpose, while atmaca series is focusing on surface launched ones?
and which one delivers more payload?

Roketsan already produced launcher s for Naval Strike missile it would be interesting however Atmaca can reach 200km which is near to SOMrange.

 

[Combat-Master]

I thought they are going to add a booster to SOM
Could we say SOM series is focusing on air launched versions and optimized for these purpose, while atmaca series is focusing on surface launched ones?
and which one delivers more payload?

I would like to see a SOM surface launched missile, especially SOM-J being so compact already...
May be the case for now, whos to say it wouldn't change - though, i have high doubts of an air launched Atmaca ever being conceived.

Roketsan already produced launcher s for Naval Strike missile it would be interesting however Atmaca can reach 200km which is near to SOMrange.

There are so many variables involved with SOM being a compact air launched cruise missile, would it match Atmaca when converted into a surface launched cruise missile ? I have my doubts.

 

[Test7]

 

[Tornadoss]

What truck is that? Looks like a Soviet/Russian truck.