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Sergey Shoigu stressed that the state defense order would be fulfilled just as last year

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MOSCOW, August 10. /TASS/. The modern weapons rate in the Russian armed forces must be up to 71.9% by the end of this year, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said in his closing remarks at an overview conference known as the military products acceptance day.
"We must achieve a rate of modern weapons and military equipment of 71.9%," he said.
"This target must be met by January 1, 2022. A great deal is still to be done to this end. The reserves that we have built up make us certain that the main targets will be achieved. We will fulfill the state defense order just as last year. The industry will cope with its task at a level of no lower than 99%, the way it was last year and in the previous year," he said.
"As far as weapons are concerned, the signing of life cycle contracts is extremely important. That is on the one hand. On the other hand, the duration of contracts must be ten years and more. To a large extent this issue has already been settled with enterprises, corporations and companies. Moreover, not only at the negotiating platforms, but in financial terms, too. This lays the basis for forming a state program for armaments up to 2033," he said.

 

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The Lefortovo Court of Moscow has ruled to choose custody for Alexander Kuranov until October 9, 2021




Moscow’s Lefortovo Court has issued a warrant to remand in custody for two months the CEO and chief designer of the Scientific Research Enterprise of Hypersonic Systems Alexander Kuranov detained in a high treason criminal case, the court told TASS on Thursday.

"The Lefortovo Court of Moscow has ruled to choose custody for a term of one month and 28 days, i.e. until October 9, 2021 as a measure of restraint for Kuranov suspected of committing a crime stipulated under Article 275 of Russia’s Criminal Code," the court’s spokeswoman said.

As a source in the law-enforcement agencies specified for TASS, investigators of Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) conducted searches at the places of the scientist’s residence and stay in St. Petersburg and accompanied him to Moscow for choosing a measure of restraint. According to the source’s data, Kuranov is suspected of passing over scientific research data to foreign special services.

The FSB has not yet pressed official charges against Kuranov.


As the data of open sources suggest, Kuranov is a Doctor of Technical Sciences and a professor of the chair of control systems and technologies at the St. Petersburg State Polytechnic University, the CEO and chief designer of the Scientific Research Enterprise of Hypersonic Systems within the Leninets Group. He engaged in scientific technologies related to hydrocarbon fuel in aircraft.
 

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Crimean Tatars reveal Russian policy of discrimination, persecution​

BY DAILY SABAH WITH AP​

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AUG 22, 2021 1:09 PM GMT+3
Erfan Kudusov talks during an interview with The Associated Press in Kyiv, Ukraine, Aug. 11, 2021. (AP Photo)
Erfan Kudusov talks during an interview with The Associated Press in Kyiv, Ukraine, Aug. 11, 2021. (AP Photo)



Monday marks the start of an international summit called by Ukraine to build up pressure on Russia over the annexation of Crimea, which has been denounced as illegal by most of the world. The fate of Crimean Tatars is one of the top issues at the inaugural meeting of the Crimean Platform. The Turkic ethnic group has faced a relentless crackdown by Russian authorities amid the ongoing systematic policy of discrimination and persecution.

Erfan Kudusov fled Crimea with his wife and four children after Russia’s annexation of Ukraine’s Black Sea peninsula in 2014, along with many other Crimean Tatars who resented Moscow’s rule.

For Kudusov and others in Crimea, the Russian takeover evoked tragic family memories of the 1944 mass deportation of Crimean Tatars on Soviet dictator Josef Stalin’s order, raising fears of discrimination and persecution. Their fears have materialized.

A few friends of Kudusov who stayed in Crimea have since been convicted on charges of extremism, separatism and membership to banned organizations, and have been sentenced to prison terms ranging from eight to 19 years.

“The fear for my children and the memory of repressions against my people forced us to pack all our things in two suitcases and leave our beloved Yalta literally in one day,” Kudusov told The Associated Press (AP) at his small restaurant in the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv. “Most of those who left were well-educated and energetic people who actively opposed the occupation of Crimea.”

Only an ancestral cover for their Quran, a few paintings of Crimea's rocky landscapes and some ceramics now remind Kudusov about his native land. Letters from prison and chats with relatives on messaging apps paint a grim picture of Crimean Tatars' life now under Russian control.

“Russia is enforcing a concentration camp there behind a nice facade,” Kudusov said. “People in Crimea are very scared and fear talking aloud about it.”

In August 2018, Vatan Karbash set himself ablaze in Crimea's regional capital of Simferopol to protest authorities' moves to raze Crimean Tatars' homes. He survived with heavy burns.

Ethnic Russians, who form a majority of Crimea's 2.3 million people, widely supported the Russian annexation, but Crimean Tatars, who accounted for nearly 15%, opposed Moscow's takeover. An estimated 30,000 Crimean Tatars have fled Crimea since 2014.

Some of those who stayed have faced a relentless crackdown by Russian authorities, who banned the Crimean Tatars' main representative body and some religious groups. About 80 Crimean Tatars have been convicted and 15 activists have gone missing, according to Amnesty International.

“The Russian Federation continues its policy of intimidation, systematic pressure and criminal prosecution of Crimean Tatars, who disagree with the occupation or refuse to cooperate with the de facto authorities,” said Kateryna Mitieva, a member of the rights group. “The homes of Crimean Tatar activists are systematically searched by the FSB (Russia's domestic security agency)."

In the past week alone, four Crimean Tatar activists were sentenced to prison terms ranging from 12 to 18 years on charges of being affiliated with Hizb ut-Tahrir, an international group that Russia outlawed as a terrorist organization in 2003. The group has been banned in most Arab countries, China, Turkey and Germany.

“Russia has brought imperialism, fear, its own view of freedom and its understanding of who is a friend and who is foe,” mufti Ayder Rustamov said at a mosque in Kyiv that is frequented by Crimean Tatars.

Moscow has strongly rejected accusations of discrimination against Crimean Tatars. The Russian Foreign Ministry pointed at the construction of new mosques in Crimea, the allocation of 100,000 land plots for Crimean Tatars and its growing support for their cultural and education projects.

At the same time, Russian officials have accused the leaders of Crimean Tatars who protested the annexation of serving Ukrainian interests and Russian law punishes those calling for Crimea to be returned to Ukraine.

Refat Chubarov, the leader of the Crimean Tatar Mejlis, a representative body for the ethnic group, was sentenced in absentia to six years in prison by a Russian court in June on charges of inciting mass disturbances for protesting the annexation in 2014.

“Moscow is continuing the policy of squeezing Crimean Tatars, and all those repressions, including arrests and long prison terms, are intended to suppress the people's will and force them to leave Crimea out of fear for the future of their children,” said Chubarov, who was forced to leave the Black Sea peninsula in 2014.

Chubarov charged that Moscow has encouraged people from other regions to move to Crimea, with more than 500,000 Russians settling there since the annexation.
“Before our eyes, Russian authorities have artificially changed the ethnic makeup of Crimea,” he said.

In 2016, Russian authorities outlawed the Mejlis as an extremist organization. In 2017, an international court asked Russia to repeal the decision, but it has ignored the ruling.

“Moscow has totally ignored all decisions, calls, recommendations and rulings by international organizations and courts,” Chubarov said.

In a bid to draw international attention to Crimea's plight, Ukraine established the Crimean Platform, which has its first meeting in Kyiv on Monday, drawing top officials from 44 countries and blocs, including the United States, the European Union and Turkey.

“(This) is a constant dialogue platform that is aimed to consolidate the international and Ukrainian effort in order to de-occupy Crimea,” Ukraine’s Deputy Foreign Minister Emine Dzhaparova told the AP.

Turkey is one of the most active supporters of the Crimea issue on the international level, Dzhaparova also said recently, expressing her hope that the upcoming Crimean Platform will strengthen global efforts for the liberation of the region.

Military tensions between Ukraine and Russia have been high since the annexation of the Crimean Peninsula by Russia in 2014.

Turkey, along with the rest of NATO, criticized Moscow's 2014 annexation of Crimea and voiced support for Ukraine's territorial integrity as Kyiv's forces battle pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine.

The Crimean Platform was established in October 2020 as part of Ukraine's strategy to clear Crimea of Russian forces.

Turkey was among the first countries to voice support for the Crimean Platform to be held on Aug. 23.

Ukrainian authorities say massive construction projects launched by Russia in Crimea seek to militarize the peninsula.

“Crimea is a military base with Ukrainian citizens as hostages,” Dzhaparova said.

“Being a Crimean Tatar means keeping a genetic memory of the pain that my people has suffered,” said Susana Jamaladinova, a singer who under the stage name Jamala won the 2016 Eurovision contest with a rueful song bewailing the 1944 Soviet deportation.

“An ethnocide is underway in Crimea – even memorial gatherings are forbidden for Crimean Tatars,” said the 37-year-old singer, who was born in the Central Asian nation of Kyrgyzstan.

In May 1944, nearly 200,000 Crimean Tatars, who then accounted for about one-third of the Crimean population, were deported to the steppes of Central Asia, 3,200 kilometers (2,000 miles) east by Stalin. The Soviet dictator accused them of collaborating with the Nazis – a claim widely dismissed by historians as a sham. An estimated half of them died in the next 18 months of hunger and harsh conditions.

Other ethnic groups that faced similar mass deportations on Stalin's orders were allowed to return to their native lands soon after the Soviet dictator's death in 1953, but Crimean Tatars weren't permitted to come back until shortly before the 1991 Soviet collapse.

Kudusov said his father was 2 years old during the Stalinist deportation, and his own twins were that age when he and his family fled Crimea in 2014.
“It looks horrible and surreal,” he said. “But my family experience shows that Crimean Tatars always come back to Crimea.”
 
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Sergey Shoigu stressed that the state defense order would be fulfilled just as last year

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Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu
© Vadim Savitsky/Russian Defence Ministry Press Office/TASS

MOSCOW, August 10. /TASS/. The modern weapons rate in the Russian armed forces must be up to 71.9% by the end of this year, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said in his closing remarks at an overview conference known as the military products acceptance day.
"We must achieve a rate of modern weapons and military equipment of 71.9%," he said.
"This target must be met by January 1, 2022. A great deal is still to be done to this end. The reserves that we have built up make us certain that the main targets will be achieved. We will fulfill the state defense order just as last year. The industry will cope with its task at a level of no lower than 99%, the way it was last year and in the previous year," he said.
"As far as weapons are concerned, the signing of life cycle contracts is extremely important. That is on the one hand. On the other hand, the duration of contracts must be ten years and more. To a large extent this issue has already been settled with enterprises, corporations and companies. Moreover, not only at the negotiating platforms, but in financial terms, too. This lays the basis for forming a state program for armaments up to 2033," he said.

this is very old information.
Shoigu spoke about "the completion of the rearmament of the Russian army by 70 percent in 2019."
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the main priority is high-precision and hypersonic weapons, which were adopted by Russia in 2020.
America does not have analogous systems and the Americans failed to test such weapons ...
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Only Russia (3 types of weapons) and China (1 type of weapon) have modern hypersonic weapons
 

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According to Director of Russia’s Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation Dmitry Shugayev, agreed contracts worth over $2 billion

KUBINKA /Moscow Region/, August 25. /TASS/. Russia has signed contracts with China, India, Uzbekistan and some other countries at the Army 2021 international military-technical forum, Director of Russia’s Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation Dmitry Shugayev announced on Wednesday.
"The result is as follows: contracts worth over $2 billion have been agreed, including contracts with China on seaborne hardware, with India on land forces’ equipment and also with Armenia, Uzbekistan, Myanmar and Belarus," Russia’s military cooperation chief specified.
Russia’s state arms seller Rosoboronexport announced earlier on Wednesday it had inked export deals worth 2 billion euros at the Army 2021 international military-technical forum.
The Army 2021 international military-technical forum is running at the Patriot Congress and Exhibition Center outside Moscow on August 22-28.

 

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RAWALPINDI – A joint exercise of the Pakistani and Russian troops, Druzhba-2021, is being held at the Molkino range in Russia’s Krasnodar Region

The Southern Military District of Russian said in a statement said, “The Russian-Pakistani joint Druzhba-2021 military exercise which will be held between September 27 and October 6 at the Molkino range in the Krasnodar Region is aimed at strengthening and developing the bilateral military cooperation”.

Pakistani special ops unit officers reached in Krasnodar on Monday. Around 100 Russian and as many Pakistani servicemen are taking part in the exercises.


The statement said that troops will practice a wide range of tasks, including counterterrorist operations as well as elimination of illegally armed units as the opponent uses improvised explosive devices during the joint drills.

Earlier this month, Pakistani troops participated in am joint exercise, “Peace Mission-2021” under the ambit of SCO platform held at Donguz training area, Orenburg Region, Russia.

The joint exercise concluded on September 24, 2021.

Tri-Services contingent of Pakistan Army participated in the exercise, which is focused on anti-terrorist operations.

The military administration bodies and units of the armed forces of Russia, India, Kazakhstan, China, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan also took part in the practical actions of the forces (troops). For the first time, the military contingent of Belarus attended the exercise as observer.

In total, more than 3.4 thousand servicemen and more than 600 units of weapons, military and special equipment were involved in the exercise Peace Mission-2021. Of these, about 2 thousand personnel and more than 350 units of weapons and military equipment participated in the exercise from the Russian side.

The main objectives of the exercise were: improving the coordination of the management bodies of the coalition group of troops in the preparation and conduct of a joint anti-terrorist operation, exchanging experience in countering terrorism, as well as mastering the basic tactical techniques and methods of action of the forces (troops) under the leadership of the joint military administration body, said Russian military in an official statement.

The implementation of combat training tasks during the exercise Peace Mission-2021 were also carried out taking into account the development of the military-political situation in the Central Asian region.

 

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"We will not support North Korea’s moot attempts to use certain test launches for further escalation," Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov stressed

MOSCOW, September 29. /TASS/. Moscow will not support North Korea’s attempts to use new missile launches in order to aggravate the situation on the Korean Peninsula, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov stated on Wednesday.


"We will not support North Korea’s moot attempts to use certain test launches for further escalation," the senior diplomat said.


According to Ryabkov, Russia "closely monitors all information from various sources" regarding North Korea’s launches, and also "compares this data with the UN Security Council resolutions," which imposed rather strict sanctions on North Korea and determined the acceptable level for the development of military capabilities.


The deputy foreign minister noted that North Korea’s new missile launch should not interfere with the political process of the Korean Peninsula’s denuclearization. "We believe that there is an alternative path, and the sooner the political process and dialogue are resumed, the better for the Northeast Asia and global security," the Russian senior diplomat stated.

On September 28, North Korea for the first time tested a new hypersonic missile Hwasong-8. Earlier this week, the Committee of the Chiefs of Staff announced the launch of a short-range missile towards the Sea of Japan. On September 15, North Korea launched two ballistic missiles towards the Sea of Japan, which fell in the exclusive economic zone of Japan. On September 13, the country announced the successful tests of a new long-range cruise missile, which were held on September 11 and 12.

 

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Introduction

Russia has shown intense interest in the new peoples it has met and contacted in parallel with its geographical and political expansion throughout history. The communities in the geographies that are under the control or of political, economic, military, and geopolitical interests have been closely followed by Russia. Russia has closely analyzed the peoples in these regions from historical, cultural, linguistic, folkloric, ethnic, etc. dimensions. Russia aimed to get to know the people in these regions in order to be effective in these regions in the following periods. Thus, Russia aimed to implement systematic policies and produce effective results in the geographies it was interested in, thanks to the policies it developed over the peoples of the region it analyzed.

Kurds were one of the peoples that Russia was in contact with during the imperial expansion process. In parallel with its expansion into the South Caucasus, Russia came into contact with the Kurds living in this region under Ottoman and Iranian rule. With this process, Russia developed policies over Kurds when it was necessary to make its presence in the Caucasus and the Middle East effective. However, before Russia implemented actual policies towards the Kurds, it first conducted scientific research to get to know them. Accordingly in this study, the Kurdish policy of Russia will be discussed in a historical context. From the mid-19th century, when the Russians began to have intensive contact with the Kurds, until the late Soviet Union, Russia's Kurdish policy will be placed in a historical context. To this end, a framework will be drawn for Russia's academic and scientific activities towards the Kurds. The scientific knowledge produced in Russia, which began in Tsarist Russia and lasted until the last years of the Soviet Union, provided an epistemological basis for the Kurdish policy of the Russians in the process. Enriched with scientific and academic studies, this epistemic ground provided the basis for Russia's policies when the arrow of time indicated the necessity.

After Russia’s academic and scientific activities towards the Kurds, the concrete policies of Russia regarding the Kurds during the 20th century in Azerbaijan, Iran, and Iraq will be discussed in the following parts. In this context, the main claim of this study is that Russia does not have a stable Kurdish policy in a normative sense and that stability is only for the interests of Russia. In this respect, Russia implemented policies that changed rapidly when necessary in different periods and regions. But one of the important elements that remain constant is that Russia's policies towards the Kurds were built on a long accumulated scientific and academic background.

In this study, Russia's policy towards the Kurds will be limited and examined in two ways. First, the Kurdish policy of Russia will be limited to the Kurds of Iran and Iraq, because the most remarkable Kurdish policies of the Russians took place in these regions both in the Tsarist and Soviet era. Secondly, this study will cover the period until the mid-1970s as the time frame. In the late 1970s, the Soviet Union began to engage in its own internal problems and the Afghan war. Moreover, from this period onwards, Kurdish political actors in the Middle East have begun to approach the United States. For these reasons, the post-1970s period will be excluded from the scope of this study.
 

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Speaking about the steps to settle the current tense situation, the Kremlin spokesman noted that "there was a way out

MOSCOW, November 21. /TASS/. NATO needs to stop pumping arms into Ukraine and halt provocations near Russia’s borders, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told the Rossiya-1 TV channel.
Speaking about the steps to settle the current tense situation, the Kremlin spokesman noted that "there was a way out." "NATO needs to stop provocations near our borders and halt advancing its political and military infrastructure towards our borders <…>," Peskov noted.
The spokesman also mentioned that "NATO definitely needs to stop pumping modern arms into Ukraine, thereby inspiring it to insane actions.".

 

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Everywhere you look the Western powers are constantly meddling. Ukraine is no different. Ukraine is being groomed by the Western powers to form a challenge for Russia. The Europeans want to influence the neighborhood of Russia and Ukraine is the perfect candidate. The Ukrainian leaders are happily fulfilling the role of a police officer on behalf of Western powers.

The only problem for Ukraine is that it is dealing with a behemoth bear. Russia responded so viciously when it forcefully took Crimea. It shook everyone by surprise and the Europeans knew there and then that Russia means business. NATO is making a huge mistake by creating ruckus in Russian neighborhood. Russia will strike and they have a track record that doesn't bode well for the opposition.
 

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More important than the influx of NATO arms is actually to increase quality of the Ukrainian officers. Until the Ukraine military get rid of all obsolete Soviet military doctrine in their military, it would be no good to transfer more high end weapons system to Ukraine.

From this reports, I could see why NATO is still hesitant to induct Ukraine to its membership and why the US still reluctant to sell more high end weapons.


So reforms in how the military operates must comes first. Deficiencies in weaponry could helped by the quality of the officers and men in the army.

Ukraine must model itself after the western military
 

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Middle Eastern nations have expressed their desire to join up as Russia’s partners in producing unmanned aerial vehicles developed by Kronshtadt, the company said on Tuesday, following its participation in the Dubai Airshow.


"Representatives from the Persian Gulf countries and some African and South Asian states took the greatest interest in the products,’’ the company said in a statement. ‘’Industry representatives from the Middle East sought to cooperate in manufacturing unmanned aerial vehicles developed by Kronshtadt.’’


The Middle East is the most promising market for the Orion-E UAV, the company said. "Customers in that region demand higher standards for unmanned vehicles,’’ the statement quoted CEO Sergey Bogatikov as saying. ‘’We are capable of satisfying [the requirements] and understand that this would allow us to bolster the competitiveness of Russia’s unmanned vehicle technologies across the world market as much as possible and provide an opportunity for the country to take a worthy place in global UAV exports.’’

 

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The Foreign Ministry also drew attention to the accusations of "building up military presence in Ukraine"

MOSCOW, November 30. /TASS/. NATO systematically tests Russia’s strength by sending naval ships and military planes towards its borders. Russia responds to these actions adequately, proportionately and with reserve, the Foreign Ministry said in a memorandum containing counter-arguments to NATO’s factsheet listing myths about Russia-NATO relations.


"NATO systematically tests our strength by sending military ships and planes to areas adjoining our borders, thus making Russia to react. Our measures taken in response are adequate, proportionate and reserved," the memo says.


The Russian Defense Ministry stressed that Moscow’s actions were purely defensive.


"Lately, we observed a significant increase in NATO’s military presence in the Black Sea region. There have been more frequent visits by naval ships carrying missiles, flights by strategic US aircraft and large-scale exercises, including unscheduled ones. Practically every week our means of objective monitoring identify more than 50 reconnaissance planes and drones flying along our borders," the Foreign Ministry said.

Also, the Foreign Ministry drew attention to the accusations of "building up military presence in Ukraine" - a reference to Russia’s actions in Crimea.


"It should be remembered that this territory is part of Russia and our armed forces are present there on legal grounds. Historically, Crimea accommodated not only the Black Sea Fleet, but also Marine units, coastal defenses other ground components and also aviation," the Foreign Ministry said.


"Apparently, the alliance has no other problems. Terrorism and threats to security from other regions are not as significant to it as alleged threats from Russia. The alliance’s uncontrolled expansion and takeover of ever more territories is accompanied by the deployment of military infrastructure, which is used to support NATO’s confrontational rhetoric and potentially can be used for accelerating the delivery of heavy equipment and military personnel of the alliance’s member-states to the borders of our country. The alliance’s expansion fuels tensions. NATO accuses Russia of military activity in zones of contact. But such zones emerged precisely as a result of NATO’s expansion," the Foreign Ministry said.

 

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I respect the Russians, their military technology and capabilities. Especially fighting on their own borders. I don't think the Russians are the aggressive power at all here. Britain fought a 30 year conflict in Northern Ireland to keep it part of Britain, the Russians view Ukraine as we view Ireland, their sphere and anyone who threats it will been engaging in war with Russia. The fact the Ukraine government is now controlled by Neo-cons is a real issues pushing them for war with Russia, which they will lose as the American army is not very good.

Russia in no way wants a war, it wasn't other peoples out of its sphere. Why are there British troops in Poland, what right do we have to be in eastern Europe? Same for the Americans.
 

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Russia in no way wants a war, it wasn't other peoples out of its sphere. Why are there British troops in Poland, what right do we have to be in eastern Europe? Same for the Americans.

why is Russia in Ukraine ?? What right do they have in Ukraine ??
 

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why is Russia in Ukraine ?? What right do they have in Ukraine ??
Its directly part of the Russian sphere, if they allow the Americans and NATO to control Ukraine they could easily be invaded. Its the same reason why the UK doesn't just allow Ireland to do whatever it wants with foreign powers, because if we do we have lost our strategic security. What right do the Americans have to topple the Ukraine government and put in their own puppet government which wants war with Russia?

In any case it isn't about rights, but power. The UK is a dominion of the US and has been since the middle part of WW2. This is just what happens, at least the Russians have a direct physical need to control Ukraine to protect themselves, the Americans have no reason at all to be in Ukraine other than weakening Russia. The same was the US is only in Ireland to weaken Britain.

Also the Russia state controlled Ukraine for centuries, Ukraine was part of the USSR until the 90's. Same as Ireland was part of Britain. Do Britain have no right to have a say in Ireland?
 

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Its directly part of the Russian sphere, if they allow the Americans and NATO to control Ukraine they could easily be invaded. Its the same reason why the UK doesn't just allow Ireland to do whatever it wants with foreign powers, because if we do we have lost our strategic security. What right do the Americans have to topple the Ukraine government and put in their own puppet government which wants war with Russia?

In any case it isn't about rights, but power. The UK is a dominion of the US and has been since the middle part of WW2. This is just what happens, at least the Russians have a direct physical need to control Ukraine to protect themselves, the Americans have no reason at all to be in Ukraine other than weakening Russia. The same was the US is only in Ireland to weaken Britain.

Also the Russia state controlled Ukraine for centuries, Ukraine was part of the USSR until the 90's. Same as Ireland was part of Britain. Do Britain have no right to have a say in Ireland?

simply put, when it doesn't suit Russia it's suddenly NATO aggression but when it suits Russia its called sphere of influence.
 

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