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[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2033234330172973408

According to Akbaba their will be a additional order for 4 istifs.

Source: His arse.

Current Tepe-Class acquisition surpasses a billion dollars, suffice to say well above. The first 4 orders most definitely will be full package consisting of Planar array Triband AESA ESM suite, Full CAFRAD suite, 96 VLS.

However, I am ascertain that the later block will be downgraded to serve as multi-purpose frigate and won't be referred as "Tepe Class". Costing nearly half, 6-8 of these will be procured.

And there will be a final block which will be procured after the multi purpose frigate, and it will be something else, possibly 2 or 3 of these dedicated to BMD.

Source: my arse, nevertheless.

 

[Anmdt]

So,when two are sold only two more Istif class?

There are few ships in the inventory, seeming that can't keep up beyond 2030s, at least two of this "rumored" orders are for Turkish Navy.

Also we shall consider this in conjunction with TF-2000 procurement. The very same shipyards of TAIS consortium will be building TF-2000, on in each. 4 more I-Class also means another 2 years, which delays +3 TF-2000 by another two years, beyond 2030 to start construction.

 

[Pokemonte13]

I think they would first order the replacement for the sold ships and the extra maybe after the 3 tf2000. But overall I don’t expect any more orders for tf2000 before 2029 but I would welcome 10 istifs for our navy.

 

[TR_123456]

There are few ships in the inventory, seeming that can't keep up beyond 2030s, at least two of this "rumored" orders are for Turkish Navy.

Also we shall consider this in conjunction with TF-2000 procurement. The very same shipyards of TAIS consortium will be building TF-2000, on in each. 4 more I-Class also means another 2 years, which delays +3 TF-2000 by another two years, beyond 2030 to start construction.

Any news on a ''inbetween'' class?

 

[Sanchez]

Any news on a ''inbetween'' class?

Nothing new so far afaik.

But this would be the said in-between class if it happens:

However, I am ascertain that the later block will be downgraded to serve as multi-purpose frigate and won't be referred as "Tepe Class". Costing nearly half, 6-8 of these will be procured.

Downgrading the sensors and lowering VLS count to 48-64 on the Tepe and converting them to a multi purpose frigate at 5-6ktons would be cheaper than a new design.
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Current Tepe-Class acquisition surpasses a billion dollars, suffice to say well above.

Single ship? We always knew it would be expensive; but damn.

 

[TR_123456]

Current Tepe-Class acquisition surpasses a billion dollars, suffice to say well above.

Wth,how come?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Wth,how come?

Just check out the cost of Type 45 Daring Class destroyers of UK.
According to below report in 2016 ,each ship cost 1.2 billion dollars. With today’s dollar that is 1.7 billion dollars. It hasn’t got as many VLS as ours . Infact 48 cells only. Tepe will have 96 cells. Overall they are very similar ships in size and weight.
Turkish cost base will make it cheaper. But by the time the ship is fully fitted and ready to be in the inventory, it could be 2030. So think about the value of dollar in 4-5 years time. I think 1 billion is an optimistic prediction. It could easily surpass that by a large margin as predicted by @Anmdt .

https://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/disp_pdf.cfm?DACH_RECNO=1253

 

[Anmdt]

Wth,how come?

It literally has 2x4 planar arrays for AESA ESM suite covering all the band and huge AESA S-band radar, enlarged AESA X-band radars. They are also rumoring further anti-drone and shorad / short range ASuW capabilities.

 

[Pokemonte13]

To be fair a billion dollars is still a good price compared to other ships. Greek fdi costs around 800 million per ship and arleigh Burke cost close to 2 billion I think only the South Koreans and Japanese are better than us even though they use American systems on their ships.

 

[Huelague]

Source: His arse.

Current Tepe-Class acquisition surpasses a billion dollars, suffice to say well above. The first 4 orders most definitely will be full package consisting of Planar array Triband AESA ESM suite, Full CAFRAD suite, 96 VLS.

However, I am ascertain that the later block will be downgraded to serve as multi-purpose frigate and won't be referred as "Tepe Class". Costing nearly half, 6-8 of these will be procured.

And there will be a final block which will be procured after the multi purpose frigate, and it will be something else, possibly 2 or 3 of these dedicated to BMD.

Source: my arse, nevertheless.

Now it makes all sense, to sell the first ISTIF Class frigates, because of lack of money.

 

[Fairon]

Now it makes all sense, to sell the first ISTIF Class frigates, because of lack of money.

It makes sense if our navy didn't aged 10 years ago. It will make sense in the future when we have enough ships that delaying new ship deliveries for couple of years doesn't hurt our navy that much. It just doesn't make sense now or the near future. If there is lack of money which clearly is, we need to find that money somewhere else and not selling ships that we need 10 years ago.

 

[Sanchez]

Now it makes all sense, to sell the first ISTIF Class frigates, because of lack of money.

As I understand it it's not a direct consequence of coffers being empty but financing and timelines. There were some talks of private shipyards spearheading the talks on this sale. If each Tepe is to cost 1bn, awarding the consortium with 3 Tepes is 3bn; and that order is not coming at least before 2029-30. Consortium's military orderbook is fulfilled at the current stage after the current in construction ships are completed by 2028. What do they do until then, it's a 3-4 year gap. Shipyards want neverending ship buildup until at least 2035. They spent all that money on bringing up manpower and expertise to build warships and probably got promises from the government and the navy; they wouldn't want their investments to go to waste. It's a problem everyone has. But there has to be a better solution to this.

It literally has 2x4 planar arrays for AESA ESM suite covering all the band and huge AESA S-band radar, enlarged AESA X-band radars. They are also rumoring further anti-drone and shorad / short range ASuW capabilities.

Someone had wrote a long time ago that each TF-2000 has enough TR modules in its radars to fit at least 6 Istifs. I didn't make or confirm that calculation, but I can see it being true. Tepes are huge, and they will be on the same wavelength as Type-055s and old Ticos. And I really don't see that navy will get more than 4 AAW variant.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Honestly 4 dedicated AAW DDG is enough if we can get 4-8 medium AAW frigates.

 

[CAN_TR]

And there will be a final block which will be procured after the multi purpose frigate, and it will be something else, possibly 2 or 3 of these dedicated to BMD.

Now that made me really curious.

Will those "6-8 multi purpose frigates" share the same hull as Tepe-class? If yes, then it means that rumored ~5000t multi purpose frigate project that was planned after Tepe-class are those 2-3 ships you mentioned here?

4x Tepe-class
6-8x multi pupose frigate (based on Tepe-class hull)
2-3x new AAW frigate design

 

[Tornadoss]

Now it makes all sense, to sell the first ISTIF Class frigates, because of lack of money.

It make sense not to build an AC with current economy.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Now that made me really curious.

Will those "6-8 multi purpose frigates" share the same hull as Tepe-class? If yes, then it means that rumored ~5000t multi purpose frigate project that was planned after Tepe-class are those 2-3 ships you mentioned here?

4x Tepe-class
6-8x multi pupose frigate (based on Tepe-class hull)
2-3x new AAW frigate design

Bro,
I am no naval engineer. But with little knowledge I have for sailing boats, I can say that downsizing Tepe like Milgem may not be possible.
Tepe Class has design measurements of:
149m length
21.3m width
5.75m draught

This gives it a tonnage of 8600tons. That width and draught gives it the stability it needs for that length and weight.

You can’t keep those measurements and produce a 5000 ton frigate.
However certain commonality of parts can be achieved if say with an approximate length of 130 -140 m and a width of say 16-18m and a draught slightly lower than Tepe. A frigate similar to the Japanese Mogami Class. @Anmdt can enlighten us better in this issue.

 

[Saithan]

I am on the team saying 4 Frigates with AAW configuration would help us a lot. Especially considering Türkiyes location. I'd not put all my eggs are n same basket.

 

[TR_123456]

I am on the team saying 4 Frigates with AAW configuration would help us a lot. Especially considering Türkiyes location. I'd not put all my eggs are n same basket.

That covers Türkiye,right?
What about the future possibilites?

 

[Yasar_TR]

I am on the team saying 4 Frigates with AAW configuration would help us a lot. Especially considering Türkiyes location. I'd not put all my eggs are n same basket.

I am almost on your team.
Since we have started building Tepe Class, there should be 2 of them in total. (Same with TCG Anadolu ; they should build TCG Trakya with an effective runway of 230metres operating arresting wires for KE and Anka-3).
In stead there should be 4 to 6 x 5000 ton frigates.
With 8 x İstif Class and until we add new ships to the fleet 4 x Barbaros MLUs (cheaper than building new İstif) should suffice.

As combatants
4 x Ada
8 x Hisar
8 x İstif
4 x Barbaros MLU
4 - 6 x 5000 ton frigates
2 x Tepe
2 x LHDs

We should focus on more submarines for the Navy too.

Main focus should be directed towards airforce. Stealth aircraft should be the centre of our main focal point. All stops should be lifted when it comes to stealth aircraft’s and their engine development.

 

[uçuyorum]

Arleigh burke are also 2 billion a piece. Putting multiple siper system equivalent on a huge ship will obviously cost a lot. But we do need at least 4