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Rafale- m dose not have folding wings and they cant fint Indian ACs lifts , after Rafale , F-18 with some growlers is best possible option .
I would argue for Rafale-M, to make full use of logistics, integration, experience building etc....and weapons package we are acquiring and will mature with air force version.

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Rafale- m dose not have folding wings and they cant fint Indian ACs lifts , after Rafale , F-18 with some growlers is best possible option .

Really? You have source for this?

I keep hearing in lot of articles both superbug and Rafale are in contention.

Going for broad assumption that there is requirement to have fighters for both Vikramaditya (given Mig 29 K issues creeping up) and IAC program to make max use of economy of scale:

If we assume the Vikramaditya lift dimensions approximate Mig 29 K (folded) for argument sake (unless you have number/estimate for it), it is likely too small for both F-18 and Rafale given:

Mig 29 K (folded) wingspan = 6 m

F-18 E/F (folded wingspan) = 9.9 m

Rafale Wingspan = 10.9 m

Which means we might be stuck with Mig -29 K for that one (or re-opening of Naval LCA if 8 metre is fine) if the lift essentially has clearance for just a folded Mig 29K..

If not both Rafale and F-18 come into contention likely given they are both similar anyway given F-18 much larger overall wingspan size leading to folded being just 1 metre less in total than Rafale...but numbers would be useful here if you have for the lift.

Similar issue with IAC-1 onwards etc, since there is not much difference between F-18 (folded) and Rafale wingspan, it would be silly to design lift only to be able to handle F-18 and cut off Rafale.....just design it to handle the slightly larger wingspan of the two with some extra buffer too...this will provide good operational flexbility anyway with cooperation with allied powers during joint exercise or joint war.
 

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NEW DELHI: The Chinese Communist Party "really fears the combined diplomatic strength" of the Quad (U.S., Japan, Australia and India) says Lt. Gen. Frederick Benjamin Hodges (Retd), former commander U.S. Army in Europe and Pershing Chair in Strategic Studies at CEPA (Centre for European Policy Analysis).

As he put it, "If the Quad brings along other nations in the region to continue to shine the light on China's violation of international laws, it represents an important mechanism for shining the light on China's malfeasance."

On India-U.S and India-Russia defence ties, Gen Hodges acknowledged New Delhi's need to "balance arms purchases" because of "U.S. sanctions as a tool for pressure" and the need to "be sure support and delivery won't be interrupted because of political issues." India's accelerated purchase of American weapons platforms, he says, suggests "some sort of leverage with the Kremlin when it's looking at challenges with China."

Hodges described Turkey's decision on the Russian S-400 'Triumf' air defence systems as "a big mistake which will never be allowed to integrate into any sort of NATO systems" but called for a "NATO-Turkey 2.0 refresh to rebuild trust". He points out, "even a brand new Lieutenant can see immediately how strategically important Turkey is. I cannot, I don't want to imagine Turkey, not being in NATO."

He described President Donald Trump's announcement of the relocation of troops from Germany "a political decision that will take months to plan and years to execute," adding, "my guess is what actually ends up happening will look nothing like what was announced back in July."

He took note of unmanned drones being used in the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict, in Syria, Libya and the Ukraine and even by non-state actors, adding, "unmanned underwater systems for the Navy are really going to change things. They're so much cheaper, don't have to have hundreds of crew members and can be underway for much longer periods of time."

He was confident about US commitment in the Indo-Pacific, saying, "the United States Navy is working with our allies and friends in the Indo Pacific region to help counter the huge increase in Chinese naval capability."
 

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NEW DELHI: India and Japan have finalised an ambitious agreement that provides for cooperation in 5G technology, artificial intelligence and an array of other critical areas as the two strategic partners vowed to further broadbase their ties including in the Indo-Pacific region.

After a meeting between external affairs minister S Jaishankar and his Japanese counterpart Toshimitsu Motegi in Tokyo on Wednesday, it was announced that Japan agreed to be the lead partner in the connectivity pillar of the Indo-Pacific Oceans' Initiative (IPOI).

The IPOI is an India-backed framework aimed at making meaningful efforts to create a safe and secure maritime domain in the Indo-Pacific, a region where China has been expanding its military assertiveness triggering global concerns.

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Credit to @Gautam for bringing to my attention:


What did I do ?

Bro do you know about the Ramjet powered artillery round under development ? I am writing an article on that, will share when I am done.
 

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What did I do ?

Bro do you know about the Ramjet powered artillery round under development ? I am writing an article on that, will share when I am done.

Pretty sure it was you that posted this link in another forum I think as I was browsing it etc...
 

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NEW DELHI: India on Monday formally invited Australia to take part in its trilateral Malabar naval exercise with the US and Japan this year amid the ongoing military confrontation with China in eastern Ladakh.

The decision to include Australia in the drills — the first time all members of the regional grouping known as the Quad will be engaged at a military level — comes as Beijing and New Delhi are caught up in their worst border tensions in four decades.

The exercise will bring together the navies of India, Japan, Australia and the US in the Bay of Bengal at the end of the year.

"As India seeks to increase cooperation with other countries in the maritime security domain and in the light of increased defence cooperation with Australia, Malabar 2020 will see the participation of the Australian Navy," the defence ministry said in a statement.

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P-8A of USN landing + refuel + take off at A+N islands mentioned towards the end.
 

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NEW DELHI: The Chinese Communist Party "really fears the combined diplomatic strength" of the Quad (U.S., Japan, Australia and India) says Lt. Gen. Frederick Benjamin Hodges (Retd), former commander U.S. Army in Europe and Pershing Chair in Strategic Studies at CEPA (Centre for European Policy Analysis).

As he put it, "If the Quad brings along other nations in the region to continue to shine the light on China's violation of international laws, it represents an important mechanism for shining the light on China's malfeasance."

On India-U.S and India-Russia defence ties, Gen Hodges acknowledged New Delhi's need to "balance arms purchases" because of "U.S. sanctions as a tool for pressure" and the need to "be sure support and delivery won't be interrupted because of political issues." India's accelerated purchase of American weapons platforms, he says, suggests "some sort of leverage with the Kremlin when it's looking at challenges with China."

Hodges described Turkey's decision on the Russian S-400 'Triumf' air defence systems as "a big mistake which will never be allowed to integrate into any sort of NATO systems" but called for a "NATO-Turkey 2.0 refresh to rebuild trust". He points out, "even a brand new Lieutenant can see immediately how strategically important Turkey is. I cannot, I don't want to imagine Turkey, not being in NATO."

He described President Donald Trump's announcement of the relocation of troops from Germany "a political decision that will take months to plan and years to execute," adding, "my guess is what actually ends up happening will look nothing like what was announced back in July."

He took note of unmanned drones being used in the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict, in Syria, Libya and the Ukraine and even by non-state actors, adding, "unmanned underwater systems for the Navy are really going to change things. They're so much cheaper, don't have to have hundreds of crew members and can be underway for much longer periods of time."

He was confident about US commitment in the Indo-Pacific, saying, "the United States Navy is working with our allies and friends in the Indo Pacific region to help counter the huge increase in Chinese naval capability."
oh boyy they should, the Quad not only comprised of the world foremost military and economic powers, it also have 2 Nuclear armed powers as well as 4 of the top 7 world economies.
what others lack the others could cover them up.
for example while Japan and OZ lacks manpower, India don't
while India is not that great in Economy (compared to it's potential) Japan and OZ+US didn't
While China could threaten Japan supply line in SCS, India could do the same towards China in the mouth of Malacca strait.

each will have to complement each other.
 

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Beijing shows rare restraint on Quad exercises​


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China has given a muted response to Australia’s invitation by India to naval exercises in November, despite rising tensions between the two nuclear powers.
Defence and foreign affairs analysts had expected the invitation to the Malabar exercises alongside the US and Japan would have provoked a sharper response, coming as Beijing and New Delhi negotiate the return of a Chinese soldier apprehended on the Indian side of the border.

“We have taken note of this development,” said China’s foreign affairs spokesman Zhao Lijan at a regular press conference in Beijing late on Tuesday.

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“We always believe military co-operation between countries should be conducive to regional peace and stability,” he said.

Many in Australia had been braced for a less restrained response about the joint naval exercises in the Indian Ocean by the four members of the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue, or Quad.

Australia last participated in the Malabar exercises in 2007, a move heavily criticised by Beijing.

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Analysts said the development was a major step by the grouping that Beijing believes is focused on countering its rise.

Michael Fullilove, executive director of the Sydney-based Lowy Institute, said the Malabar invitation was the most significant example of Canberra “thickening its ties with like-minded countries in the region”.

“New Delhi’s decision to extend the invitation to us is even more consequential, indicating that Indian policymakers are overcoming their habitual caution,” Dr Fullilove said. “Beijing will be most displeased about what this development says about the focusing of minds in both the Australian and Indian capitals.”

In June, the People’s Liberation Army killed 20 Indian soldiers on the contested border, heightening New Delhi’s strategic anxiety about the rising superpower on its eastern front.

Unlike Japan and Australia, India is not a formal ally of the US and had been reluctant about Australia’s return to the navy training exercises.

Foreign Minister Marise Payne said India’s invitation was an important step in the “deepening relationship” between the two countries. “It will bolster the ability of India, Australia, Japan and the US to work together to uphold peace and stability across our region,” she said.

China’s leaders have long fretted about the Quad, accusing Washington of trying to transform it into an “Asian NATO”.

Pankaj Jha, former deputy director of India’s National Security Council Secretariat, said the involvement of the full Quad demonstrated the Malabar naval exercises “are going up a level”.

“In past editions, we have seen sophisticated anti-submarine warfare, surveillance aircraft and reconnaissance aircraft all being deployed,” Mr Jha told Nikkei Asia. “Now when Australia also comes in, and there are logistics support agreements [among the four countries], it technically means the expanse of the Quad is superimposed on two regions: the Indian Ocean and Pacific Ocean.”

In a further sign of Australia’s strengthening defence partnership with Japan, the two countries have committed to negotiate a new agreement allowing Japan’s Self-Defence Forces to “protect Australian Defence Force assets” if they come under threat.

Senator Reynolds and her Japanese counterpart Kishi Nobuo announced the move after a meeting in Tokyo on Monday.

 

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The 3rd two plus two ministerial meeting next week will see both India and the United States consolidating military-to-military relationship between the two democracies to move towards institutionalised intelligence-sharing agreement and go beyond tri-services exercises into unmanned, space and underwater platform domains, people familiar with the matter said.

On October 26-27, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh and External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar will meet US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Defence Secretary Mark Esper in national capital Delhi for the third round of the top strategic dialogue agreed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and US President Donald Trump back in 2017. The two sides are expected to sign off on a geo-spatial military foundational agreement called BECA (Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement) that is a precursor to India acquiring armed drones such as the MQ-9B from the US that use spatial data for pinpointed strikes.

The two sides are expected to build on past gains at the meeting being held weeks before the US Presidential elections on November 3, comfortable in the knowledge that there is bi-partisan consensus within the US on deepening India-US strategic relationship.

There is a strong possibility that the two sides could work out a pact that allows institutionalised relationship between the Defence Intelligence Agencies of the two countries. India and the US already share real-time intelligence through the communication agreement called COMCASA. But the new pact would allow the two allies to share vital tri-services intelligence on developments in all defence matters ranging from the South China Sea to Ladakh. This proposal has been hanging fire for quite some years without any results.

Although BECA is still to be formally cleared by PM Modi’s Cabinet, the agreement will enable India to buy armed unmanned aerial and underwater platforms from the US. These would be loaded with neighbourhood terrain maps for pin-pointed destruction of acquired targets. The terrain maps will also help in precision flying of US made platforms acquired by India and hence enhance military capability of platforms like Apache attack helicopters and Chinook heavy lift helicopters.

While a decision to acquire armed drones has been communicated to the US, the two countries are going beyond mere exercises and into hitherto unexplored domains like space and undersea.

The two sides will also discuss the People’s Liberation Army’s aggression in Ladakh and its muscle flexing in the South China Sea and the countermeasures that the four-nation QUAD - that also comprises Japan and Australia - needs to take to remain committed to free and open Indo-Pacific for global trade and commerce.

The peace in Afghanistan and terror in Pakistan will be also on top priority as India fears more violence in Kabul once the American forces leave the Islamic Republic after 19 years. Even though India participated in the Doha intra-Afghan talks, it is concerned about the Pakistani deep state’s hold on the Taliban and has told the leadership of the present government in Kabul to present a united face.
 

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New Delhi: The Union Cabinet has cleared the defence ministry’s proposal to sign the BECA or Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement with the United States of America.

The decision, taken on Wednesday, paves the way for the signing of the agreement during the 2+2 dialogue with the United States in Delhi on October 26-27.

The signing of the agreement will enable the two countries to share geospatial information. There have been discussions between officials of both countries over the last few weeks to push through the agreement. Exchange of geospatial information will have important military uses, particularly those involving missile technologies.

BECA isn’t the only agreement the two countries will be signing on October 26-27. The decision to sign the MISTA or the Marine Information Sharing Technical Arrangement has also been made. BECA is the third of the foundational agreements that strengthen the strategic links between the armed forces of both countries. The other two—the LEMOA or the Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement and the COMCASA or the Communications Compatibly and Security Agreement— have already been signed.

Interestingly, the 2+2 meeting is just before the US presidential elections on November 3.

That both the US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo and the Secretary of Defence, Mark Esper, will be flying down at this time, particularly during the COVID-19 outbreak, to meet Defence Minister Rajnath Singh and External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar, is a sign of the strong ties between the Indian government and the Trump administration. Keeping that in mind, it was felt that just a virtual meeting would not be enough.
 

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Pity the audio from Admiral end was not too good, there was a lot of good points raised in this discussion:

 

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