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Its the same tactic over and over again, bark and bark and hope the americans and russians are swayed by it, when they are not go silent for 6 months and then repeat the same tactic. Its a losers mindset.

Realistically he should have just gone in hard on the side that Russia controls, say nothing and do what needs to be done.

Even if this operation starts, it will be for one maybe two towns, another waste of time.

Ukrainians with sticks and stones went up against the entire Russian army and never looked back. The Turkish military under Erdogan is terrified to move on west syria against a few russian drunks. Shameful stuff really.

Politics is maybe Turkey's weakest link.

Every time we do these operations or claim to want to do it we give the international media the platform to start up the Turks committing genocide and Kurds fighting Isis to protect western freedoms narrative. Then to make matters worse none of the ak party mouth pieces ever counter this narrative. The last interview erdogan even did on CNN they dubbed him talking about the PKK as wanting to attack the Kurdish people.

We are losers with this kind of politics.
I hope your comment on Turkish military is not meant as such. The government may fear initiating an operation because of economic and political reasons. This is the cost of democracy. Winning the elections is essential, which may lead to suboptima decisions. But Turkish military is sacred. It fears no one and no country. Because our soldiers are ready to become martyrs. If you are ready to die, you dont fear anything. It is not easy of course for our young soldiers, and hopefully we wont have many martyrs. But this is I think a good opportunity for our country to rectify the mistakes of the past. Hopefully this opportunity wont be missed due to political issues.
 

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The government may fear initiating an operation because of economic and political reasons

Then why does Erdogan constantly says that he will come suddenly one night and launch an operation soon if at the end he will do nothing ? By doing that he’s becoming less and less credible for his adversaries.
 

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I hope your comment on Turkish military is not meant as such. The government may fear initiating an operation because of economic and political reasons. This is the cost of democracy. Winning the elections is essential, which may lead to suboptima decisions. But Turkish military is sacred. It fears no one and no country. Because our soldiers are ready to become martyrs. If you are ready to die, you dont fear anything. It is not easy of course for our young soldiers, and hopefully we wont have many martyrs. But this is I think a good opportunity for our country to rectify the mistakes of the past. Hopefully this opportunity wont be missed due to political issues.

Its meant that under Erdogan we act like indecisive cowards, the armies performance whenever its been deployed has been our saving grace. If our army was just as incompetent as our politicians we wouldnt survive as a state, not in this geography.

Its so frustrating to watch Turks accept terrible politicians and then to keep voting them in.
 

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Then why does Erdogan constantly says that he will come suddenly one night and launch an operation soon if at the end he will do nothing ? By doing that he’s becoming less and less credible for his adversaries.
Of course we can attack our enemies when it is absolutely necessary. I don't think Erdoğan loses a tiny bit of credibility by delaying some moves. It is only wise to act prudently.
 

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Then why does Erdogan constantly says that he will come suddenly one night and launch an operation soon if at the end he will do nothing ? By doing that he’s becoming less and less credible for his adversaries.

you remember when they were talking about praying in a mosque in Damascus during the early days. Just a bunch of jokers who can keep getting away with it because his voter base don't remember anything.

10 years later both the USA and Russia are entrenched along the border protecting the PKK and working together against Turkey, meanwhile "we can come suddenly one night".

You can't expect much from these people except failure.
 

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When Kızılelma takes office and bombards both the YPG and the regime forces several times without being seen by radars and thermals, a ghost fear begins in the Assad regime, Russia and the USA.

Then all their plans will be ruined. The only plan that works will be Türkiye's plan.

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When Kızılelma takes office and bombards both the YPG and the regime forces several times without being seen by radars and thermals, a ghost fear begins in the Assad regime, Russia and the USA.
Then all their plans will be ruined. The only plan that works will be Türkiye's plan.

KE is primarily A2A and won’t be ready before 2026 for such A2G missions. By that time PKK shouldn’t exist in Syria
 

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Local sources are reporting that schools are closed in SNA areas. Another sign of operation is imminent. Maybe even tonight
 

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Trust in the plan, let's put aside daily political bickering as much as possible and show that we are united against these filty terorist structures.

The operation has begun, the arrow is out of the bow. The international media and social media armies will attack with all their might. PKK and FETO terrorists will try all kinds of provocations at home. I believe we all have a duty in this process.
 

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If they attempt something like this its pretty much an open declaration of war against Turkey. They do something like this you move in right away and if the Americans target the Turkish military all American facilities within Turkey must be shut down. Turkish people must be completely educated as to what they are facing. There is a long range plan in play here by america to create a pkkistan, entrench their army within it and then use that psudo state to start arming and inciting the kurds of Turkey directly. With the eventual aim to create the same stratergy they used on saddam where they will use northern syria/iraq to create a no fly zone over the south east of Turkey. I suspect their arming of the islands and bases in greece is in aid of this long term plan.
 

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If they attempt something like this its pretty much an open declaration of war against Turkey. They do something like this you move in right away and if the Americans target the Turkish military all American facilities within Turkey must be shut down. Turkish people must be completely educated as to what they are facing. There is a long range plan in play here by america to create a pkkistan, entrench their army within it and then use that psudo state to start arming and inciting the kurds of Turkey directly. With the eventual aim to create the same stratergy they used on saddam where they will use northern syria/iraq to create a no fly zone over the south east of Turkey. I suspect their arming of the islands and bases in greece is in aid of this long term plan.

This but 100%
 

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When erdogan was talking about America/NATO together creating a no fly zone over syria to protect the 10 to 15 million syrian refugees who fled their country, the americans were adament that under no circumstances could it ever be done. Had this been done their would have been no refugee crisis striking europe either.

Now Turks are striking communist terrorists, they are desperate to create a no fly zone within syria itself aimed against Turkey.

Who do these Americans think they are fooling? This is some proper evil sadistic shit being committed.
 

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KE is primarily A2A and won’t be ready before 2026 for such A2G missions. By that time PKK shouldn’t exist in Syria
Erdoğan said today that Kızılelma will go into production at the end of 2023, it should be operational in 2024. Even single digit numbers of it can make a difference.
 
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Lots of ground activity tonight. SNA moving in position. TSK sending convoys into Syria. Artillery hitting PKK heavily while using flares to spot enemy movements. Operation could start in the early morning hours.
 

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Erdoğa said today that Kızılelma will go into production at the end of 2023, it should be operational in 2024. Even single digit numbers of it can make a difference.
He most likely misspoke. I think officials often get these things wrong
 

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Lots of ground activity tonight. SNA moving in position. TSK sending convoys into Syria. Artillery hitting PKK heavily while using flares to spot enemy movements. Operation could start in the early morning hours.
SNA are still preparing but operation can be launched as soon as they are done with their preparations.

At the same time SNA prepares TSK is softening YPG positions, exhausting them both physically but also mentally. With the recent strategic targets we hit on their critical infrastructure and also high value targets their morale drops. We already witness defecting YPG fighters including so called commanders.
 

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Lots of ground activity tonight. SNA moving in position. TSK sending convoys into Syria. Artillery hitting PKK heavily while using flares to spot enemy movements. Operation could start in the early morning hours.
No not yet. There is so much to do before an operation. On the other hand, a kind of gunboat diplomacy is on. The possibility of operation is fifty-fifty now.
 

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I think the operation is starting, now the sounds of jet planes are coming from the Syrian border.

flight radar also does not have any civilian flight
 

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