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Yea, but who played who though?

Its my opinion all that happened is that erdogan got power hungry and turned on the organisation who poses the biggest threat to his position. in history many secret societies have brought dictators to power only for the dictator to then turn on them and try to wipe out the organisation that brought them to power. Napoleon, Hitler and Stalin are good examples of this.
 

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Milli İstihbarat Teşkilatı (MIT) neutralized Zeki Gürbüz, the so-called Syrian officer of the terrorist organization MLKP, who was the instigator of the attack on the prison service vehicle in Bursa last year, with an operation in the city of Haseke.
 

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Pre condition for peace is for assad to give up his position for good.

This asshole is what caused this civil war in the first place.
 

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Rapprochement between Türkiye and Syria would be a big blow to the US and their illegitimate love child the YPG/PKK.
Yes, Mr Assad is a bloody dictator who had bombed and killed his own people, but on the other hand we have the US who is blatantly financing, arming, supporting, and trying to whitewash a terrorist group which has been the cause of the death of many Turks.
Let's not forget also that we'd be making a deal with Russia in the first place whereas Mr Assad's position would be no different than a paper weight.

I'm for anything that serves the security of Turkish citizens, especially when there is the case of repatriating the refugees back to Syria.
 

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Pre condition for peace is for assad to give up his position for good.

This asshole is what caused this civil war in the first place.

Assad going now is no good, he goes now and all that happens is that Isreal and America has won everything. Its best we secure northern syria and then we help assad secure the rest of the country. The iranians must stay away from nothern syria and Turkey will be happy to help them settle in southern syria.

We must rebuild Syria's army especially her air defence network to create pressure and leverage against Isreal/America.

We seen too much over the syrian civil war to pretend that america/isreal are not our regional enemies.
 

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Syria should have been played the way Ukraine is being played. No one could corner us or exploit us over it.

Its been played in such a way where we can support the outcome we want "ukraine to win" while at the same time it doesnt matter which way it goes because Turkey didnt destroy her relations with Russia. The same should have happened in Syria, we went all in on the Syrian rebel side and got screwed by everyone over it.
 

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Towards the UAE his words are more threatening, he has the same hostile intent towards Turkey. But Turkey is no weak and insignificant state.


Its critical that Turkish foreign policy moves to limit the american presence in the entire middle east. This nation is more hostile then Russia and has far more power and reach then Russia. Eventually we should even kick them out of Turkey with the aim to leave NATO.
 

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even kick them out of Turkey with the aim to leave NATO
The moment we leave NATO, NATO will come into us. We should remain until we muster the power to defend ourselves against the ENTIRETY of NATO and SinoRussian bloc. (which might be never.)

A NATO without the US on the other hand :devilish: ...
 

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Towards the UAE his words are more threatening, he has the same hostile intent towards Turkey. But Turkey is no weak and insignificant state.


Its critical that Turkish foreign policy moves to limit the american presence in the entire middle east. This nation is more hostile then Russia and has far more power and reach then Russia. Eventually we should even kick them out of Turkey with the aim to leave NATO.
Türkiye needs ICBMs with Nukes on it before it can leave NATO, if at all.
 

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The moment we leave NATO, NATO will come into us. We should remain until we muster the power to defend ourselves against the ENTIRETY of NATO and SinoRussian bloc. (which might be never.)

A NATO without the US on the other hand :devilish: ...

Yes for the short to mid term that's the danger of leaving, right now its safer to be in it then outside of it. However, Turkey should be pursuing a long term strategy to decouple herself from it and more importantly the americans must notice it. The best way to avoid being mistreated is for the americans to tangibly see that we seriously could exit it.
 

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Yeah we have to become a nuclear power in order to leave, ironically to protect us from the nuclear powers within NATO.
I always happily say Power above all.
Look at the Russia vs Ukraine war. I can guarantee you, if Russia didn't have any nukes, then NATO would be inside it long time ago.
So in short: A nation that has Nukes on ICBMs is a nation safe from invasion. Everything else is just noise.
 

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I always happily say Power above all.
Look at the Russia vs Ukraine war. I can guarantee you, if Russia didn't have any nukes, then NATO would be inside it long time ago.
So in short: A nation that has Nukes on ICBMs is a nation safe from invasion. Everything else is just noise.
But a nation that is on his way with Nukes is an even bigger target than before to even more Nations out there.
 

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But a nation that is on his way with Nukes is an even bigger target than before to even more Nations out there.
And because of that you will never ever build your own nukes to ensure the best possible safety of your country?
 

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And because of that you will never ever build your own nukes to ensure the best possible safety of your country?

Had Turkiye not joined NATO, i suspect it would have been certain we would have got nukes. You can't have the soviet union threatening to invade you and not obtain nukes, that would be negligence.
 

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True, but that's all coulda, woulda, shoulda. I look ahead and want Türkiye to build that thing as fast as possible. Our current biggest enemy is the administration of a NATO "ally" as you know.
 
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