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The production of the T-70's continue, but due to CAATSA there is a HUGE deduction on its numbers. TAI is doing the best they can.
Thank you. So T-70 program was practically killed by USA. It would be fine if TUSAŞ didn't continue.

For this reason, TUSAŞ started to plan a general purpose helicopter that uses a joint infrastructure with Atak-2 and will be navalized from the very beginning.

That's how I understood the situation.
 

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Thank you. So T-70 program was practically killed by USA. It would be fine if TUSAŞ didn't continue.

For this reason, TUSAŞ started to plan a general purpose helicopter that uses a joint infrastructure with Atak-2 and will be navalized from the very beginning.

That's how I understood the situation.
They're currently lobbying to get the production numbers back into their original state. If that will ever materialize, we will see.
 

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They're currently lobbying to get the production numbers back into their original state. If that will ever materialize, we will see.
It's not work.

The original planning included the production of approximately 600 T-70s and also the maintenance of Sikorsky S-70 helicopters on a global scale at the center to be established in Turkiye. They moved that S-70 global maintenance center to Poland.

In other words, they will not change their minds in the short&middle term. Therefore, if it were me, I would give my full attention to the navalize domestic utility helicopter.
 

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It's not work.

The original planning included the production of approximately 600 T-70s and also the maintenance of Sikorsky S-70 helicopters on a global scale at the center to be established in Turkiye. They moved that S-70 global maintenance center to Poland.

In other words, they will not change their minds in the short&middle term. Therefore, if it were me, I would give my full attention to the navalize domestic utility helicopter.
I agree. But we will see.
 

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Thank you. So T-70 program was practically killed by USA. It would be fine if TUSAŞ didn't continue.

For this reason, TUSAŞ started to plan a general purpose helicopter that uses a joint infrastructure with Atak-2 and will be navalized from the very beginning.

That's how I understood the situation.
As of February 2022 TEI had delivered 50 T700-TEI-701D engines to TAI. If TEI carried on production at their planned 1 engine per week rate, there could be another 20 engines in stock now.
The production quantities may have dwindled. But there are all those engines that need helicopters.
These engines are 60HP more powerful than the original T70 engines. They are not cheap. They need to go on the helicopters that we actually need to be operating.
It would be interesting to see how this impasse is resolved.
Until we have a replacement engine and a helicopter to take it’s place we have to find a way to carry on manufacturing them.

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The CAATSA sanctions that were imposed on us were very specific. It did not cover previous contractual agreements with Turkish MOD.
“The sanctions include a ban on all U.S. export licenses and authorizations to SSB and an asset freeze and visa restrictions on Dr. Ismail Demir, SSB’s president, and other SSB officers.”
So I find it difficult to understand how production of S-70 helicopters are affected by the CAATSA sanctions.
If it was mentioned that there is a covered embargo of sorts in place I can understand. But CAATSA excuse is not logical.
 
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This was near the composite production facility. Apparently belongs to the 738.

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One of two Gokbey prototypes in a hangar somewhere. Had to be careful due to the ongoing flight activities. The other Gokbey stationed towards the right is in the colors of the Gendarmerie Command. They have like 4 prototypes. And this is where the photos end :) Sorry...





ATAK 2 is currently in production however there isn't much to see. It's in a very early phase.

The production of the T-70's continue, but due to CAATSA there is a HUGE deduction on its numbers. TAI is doing the best they can.

Aksungur is apparently booked to oblivion, quite literally. There weren't ANY Aksungur's on the assembly line. And that is because TAI just takes them off the production line as soon as they're ready and sends them off to testing.

Hurjet's assembly line was filled with Malaysian delegates.

Saw the F-16 Ozgur in its digital camouflage. And it looks like it will retain it. But it may change later. Hurjet won't feature the digital camo btw. At least that's what they told me.

Hurjet's simulator was booked so I wasn't able to get any photos from there.



And last but not least... the big boi which is stationed in its hangar. I nearly fainted when I saw it btw. I'm not allowed to share anything regarding its design, no photos were allowed to begin with. A very experienced team is leading the program, and it's coming together nicely. That's all you need to know. Oh you might expect to see another MMU mock-up. I don't know when. MMU's prototype won't have RAM paint.
Were you able to get any info about TUSAŞ's own jet drone program ? Also will Atak 2 use 30mm cannons because in the current mock-up it looks like it has 3x20mm and how complete was the Hürjet's prototype ? Your words excited me, i hope that we see MMU soon maybe 30th of August?
Edit: btw will all MMU prototypes not have RAM paint ? Or just the first ones?
 
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Were you able to get any info about TUSAŞ's own jet drone program ? Also will Atak 2 use 30mm cannons because in the current mock-up it looks like it has 3x20mm and how complete was the Hürjet's prototype ? Your words excited me, i hope that we see MMU soon maybe 30th August?
-Yes I was. They're only on the drawing board. Nothing concrete as of yet.

-30mm as far as I know. The real ATAK 2 doesn't really look like the mock-up.

-Y'know the king of Malaysia visited TAI yesterday. So the scenes weren't much different today. They had opened the canopy up. Looked like they were doing inspection but don't count on it. Not much else apart from that. There were two prototypes on the final assembly line.

-It would be LOVELY if TAI did such thing on the 30th of August. Though it didn't really look like they were planning anything for that date. It would be lovely if you guys could have a glimpse at her as well.
 
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Damn that’s not a good news. I really wanted TAI to develop a stealth drone.

So no TISU I guess.
There could be a TISU. Just because it's a render, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. TAI simply has their priorities. And who knows? They might be awaiting further developments on the engine side. The realization of the program could be pretty quick.
 

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There could be a TISU. Just because it's a render, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. TAI simply has their priorities. And who knows? They might be awaiting further developments on the engine side. The realization of the program could be pretty quick.
TF-6000, that's the answer probably, And TF-10000 for MIUS
 

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Why is everyone surprised that TISU is on the drawing block?
TF-X is gonna start mass production in 2029, they have 7 years to get something into serial production.
People just need to calm down and wait.
 

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In my opinion, Turkiye and Tusaş/Tai transferred the UAV business to Baykar. I wonder where the Anka/Aksungur team is and what they do.

I don't believe Tisu is coming. Even if it comes, it will come as a Baykar project.

Regarding TISU I think TAI are waiting for TF-6000 / 10000 engines to be op first because they don’t want / can’t buy foreign engines for their UAV’s, unlike Baykar.

What Turkish Armed Forces need right now is a UAV with higher payload capability (Akinci), and a less pricey drone compared to the Anka (TB2), that’s why they prefer Baykar at the moment.
 

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