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[MADDOG]

This makes 0 sense. do they consider us to be retards?

How does GTU-0s first flight not count as the first flight of TF-X

I guess it counts as the first flight of a tech demonstrator. Whereas Block 10's maiden flight will be considered as the genuine first flight.

Not that big of a deal tbh it wouldn't be the first time that officials confused thousands of people with these statements

 

[TheInsider]

This makes 0 sense. do they consider us to be retards?

How does GTU-0s first flight not count as the first flight of TF-X

GTU-0 is MMU too. There won't be monumental changes between GTU-0 and block 10. Maiden flight will happen this year. Maiden flight of block 10 is in 2025 but don't be surprised if it happens Q4 2024 because block 10 production will start this year. Block 10 might be ready for taxi tests in Q1 2024 and first flight might happen in Q4 2024.

 

[moz68k]

I guess it counts as the first flight of a tech demonstrator. Whereas Block 10's maiden flight will be considered as the genuine first flight.

Not that big of a deal tbh it wouldn't be the first time that officials confused thousands of people with these statements

The YF-22 (1990) and F-22 (1997) comparisons seem reasonable to me. Except greatly accelerated of course. I'd bet if the cold war persisted the F-22 would have made its first flight much sooner.

 

[MADDOG]

The YF-22 (1990) and F-22 (1997) comparisons seem reasonable to me. Except greatly accelerated of course. I'd bet if the cold war persisted the F-22 would have made its first flight much sooner.

I guess the only difference is that there won't be that many external differences. Most of the changes will be internal.

 

[Bürküt]

I guess it counts as the first flight of a tech demonstrator. Whereas Block 10's maiden flight will be considered as the genuine first flight.

Not that big of a deal tbh it wouldn't be the first time that officials confused thousands of people with these statements

I think block 0 should not be called as a technology demonstrator.There will be differences between block 0 and block 10. But not like x35 and F35 or YF22 and F22. Kubilay Yıldırım once said in a program.

 

[Era_shield]

This makes 0 sense. do they consider us to be retards?

How does GTU-0s first flight not count as the first flight of TF-X

Test flights mid-development aren't considered maiden flights. Externally it may look complete but many internal sub-systems won't be completed yet at that time.

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1639539942719143936

The latest situation in the HÜRJET jet trainer

Ismail Demir;

"There is an export potential. If we had HURJET 5-6 years ago, we would have exported it now. We will also make a model that can take off and land on the TCG ANADOLU Ship. We will also perform the weapon integration."

I think, Navalized Hürjet will most likely be a learning process for Navalized MMU. Perhaps even a carrier-based trainer aircraft may be the real goal for Navalize Hurjet. I think there is definitely an full-size aircraft carrier target now. There are many indications that we are on that path now. Although we do not have a STOVL aircraft and it is difficult to obtain such a platform in the current situation, there is an idea to navalize almost all existing fixed-wing aircraft projects in house. With the current Anadolu, it is unlikely to achieve the sortie capacity for an effective air force, for fixed wings, because of the limitations created by the technical infrastructure/design of the ship, but it can ease the learning curve for the operation of the joint force so that operation of whole task force before we have a real aircraft carrier.

I guess that there may be a preliminary study on an aircraft carrier with a displacement of 40-55K and suitable for STOBAR/SRVL (I don't know, maybe CATOBAR) aircraft operations. Of course, I come to this conclusion only by interpreting the current statements and developments, otherwise, what is the priority of this type of ship for our navy, whether our defense budget and national economy will be able to reach the power to carry this load in the targeted period, these are completely outside my assessment.

At this stage, and as far as I can see, the following project scheme is emerging:

• Medium-lift class Battlefield Utulity/CSAR, ASW helicopter, (project underway)
• Several unmanned rotary wing systems (projects are underway)
• Carrier-based light attack/training jet (Hurjet?)
• Carrier-based tactical airborne early warning, command and control/sea and air surveillance aircraft/helicopter (??)
• Carrier-based main combatant fighter (MMU?)
• Several carrier-based multirole tactical drones (project underway)
• Carrier based wingman/unmanned fighter jets (project underway)
• Carrier based tanker drone (Anka-4??)

 

[Cabatli_TR]

In reality, there are no huge changes between YF-22 and the F22. Air intakes were moved to the rear of the fuselage, the design of the horizontal stabilizers was changed, the nose section was further enlonged and wing area increased. I think we will see some changes not only in avionics/subsystems but also in the fuselage of TFX if needed. These changes can be seen as optimization in terms of performance improvement in accordance to requirements thanks to datas to be taken from Block-0.

 

[Heartbang]

I'll eat a model of F-35 if that ever happens. I understand being excited and proud but letting it go to our heads this much is dangerous. No need to turn into Russia and lose ourselves in our own hype while not even having a end product in our hands.

Saved for future reference. Be around.

 

[boredaf]

Saved for future reference. Be around.

Considering the fact that we are about 7 to 10 years away from serial production and they are about to hit 1000 F-35's in a a year or two, I have no problem with that lol

 

[moz68k]

One thing I noticed on the GTU-0 was the lack of an air data boom. I'd guess it's for the upcoming ceremony. We'll see it with a boom before its first flight.

 

[Windchime]

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In reality, there are no huge changes between YF-22 and the F22. Air intakes were moved to the rear of the fuselage, the design of the horizontal stabilizers was changed, the nose section was further enlonged and wing area increased. I think we will see some changes not only in avionics/subsystems but also in the fuselage of TFX if needed. These changes can be seen as optimization in terms of performance improvement in accordance to requirements thanks to datas to be taken from Block-0.

That is a very misinformed judgement. YF-22 and production F-22 (EMD models and onwards) are very different aircrafts, both inside and outside. YF-22 as well as YF-23 were both more of a technology demostrator models for the ATF competition. In fact, they were only one of the many pre development concept designs that was chosen to be actually built for evaluation. All of these designs were very much far off from what actually became the raptor. Just because they look a bit similar in terms of outer planform doesn't mean that there weren't much changes.

I don't know how different MMU block-0 and 10 will be, but I'm pretty sure that the differences between them will be way less than the differences between YF-22 and F-22

 

[MADDOG]

One thing I on the GTU-0 noticed was the lack of an air data boom. I'd guess it's for the upcoming ceremony. We'll see it with a boom before its first flight.

You'll see a boom before the flight

 

[CAN_TR]

Ismail Demir;

We will also make a model that can take off and land on the TCG ANADOLU Ship.

VERY UNLIKELY. The engines are not strong enough, the TCG Andolu is not big enough, we don't have CATOBAR system.

If TN wants to operate manned aircrafts then there is only one aircraft capable to launch from TCG Andolu, F-35B. Otherwise they will have to build a aircraft carrier and even then which aircraft?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1639736697352069121

 

[MADDOG]

Another SS of Hürjet.

 

[Boz]

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Another SS of Hürjet.

Looking at all these projects now... after so many years of hard work... the build quality (even of the prototypes), craftsmanship, aesthetics... words can't express the joy, the pride

 

[Windchime]

The YF-22 (1990) and F-22 (1997) comparisons seem reasonable to me. Except greatly accelerated of course. I'd bet if the cold war persisted the F-22 would have made its first flight much sooner.

A more fitting example will be Rafale A and Rafale C. Like I've said on another reply YF-22 and F-22 were very different aircrafts, hence the 7 years of gap between them. The relationship between YF-22 and F-22 were more like the relationship between BAe EAP and Eurofighter Typhoon.

 

[Windchime]

Guess there have been lots of thing going on while I was away. I came after hearing the news about Altay, and what a surprise, there's more! Next up is to see these aircrafts fly.

It seems like they are planning to fly the MMU with Hürjet, but I really hope that they'll take a step further and make ANKA-3 and Kızılelma also fly together. Think about it, 4 of those planes all flying together in a wedge formation. Would be quite a scene I'd say.

 

[moz68k]

A more fitting example will be Rafale A and Rafale C. Like I've said on another reply YF-22 and F-22 were very different aircrafts, hence the 7 years of gap between them. The relationship between YF-22 and F-22 were more like the relationship between BAe EAP and Eurofighter Typhoon.

That's an even better suggestion! Even down to the temporary US-sourced engine.