TR TF-X KAAN | F-16 Özgür | Hürjet | Hürkuş - Fighter & Trainer Aircraft Projects

[MADDOG]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1663865633224704002

Bird strike tests at TAI.

-The canopy looks to be from Hürkuş.

-Canopy tests for KAAN to begin soon.

 

[godel44]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1663865633224704002

Bird strike tests at TAI.

-The canopy looks to be from Hürkuş.

-Canopy tests for KAAN to begin soon.

Gotta use real birds to make sure...

 

[MADDOG]

KAAN's ground tests are ongoing

Hürjet

 

[GoatsMilk]

on other forums people are claiming that Malaysia partnered on the KAAN project, does anyone have any news on this?

 

[Heartbang]

on other forums people are claiming that Malaysia partnered on the KAAN project, does anyone have any news on this?

Güneydoğu Asya'ya Türkiye damgası: KAAN'ı ortak üretebiliriz | STAR

Türkiye ve Malezya'nın savunma sanayisindeki işbirliği güçlenecek. Malezya ile savunma tedarikinde ortaklık ve birliktelik sağlayacak anlaşma konusunda mutabakata varıldığı bildirildi. Güneydoğu Asya'nın başından beri Türkiye için önemli bir pazar olduğunu vurgulayan Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma...

www.star.com.tr

Vice President of Defence Industry Agency Serdar Demirel claimed so.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Güneydoğu Asya'ya Türkiye damgası: KAAN'ı ortak üretebiliriz | STAR

Türkiye ve Malezya'nın savunma sanayisindeki işbirliği güçlenecek. Malezya ile savunma tedarikinde ortaklık ve birliktelik sağlayacak anlaşma konusunda mutabakata varıldığı bildirildi. Güneydoğu Asya'nın başından beri Türkiye için önemli bir pazar olduğunu vurgulayan Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma...

www.star.com.tr

Vice President of Defence Industry Agency Serdar Demirel claimed so.

Excellent, lets see other nations have some confidence and join the project. This potentially is a great opportunity for many naitons of the world that cannot buy american or doesnt want to be held under duress when they buy american.

Do we have any idea what Azerbaijans feelings are towards this KAAN project?

 

[TheInsider]

There is nothing concrete yet but there are serious interests from several countries.

 

[Siper>MMU]

KAAN's ground tests are ongoing

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They still didn't install main gear landing door

 

[Strong AI]

They still didn't install main gear landing door

No?

 

[Siper>MMU]

So

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I meant for Hürjet sorry XD

 

[Samba]

This is an interesting read. We commend F35 at the highest possible level. However if it can be scrambled and blinded by a 4th gen fighter like that, it is serious...

Su-30 has used Khibiny EW system while intercepting the F-35

bulgarianmilitary.com

 

[Saithan]

I think Things aren't going as expected with UK. The contribution of BAE in TFX Phase-1 was very mediocre with mostly inexperienced engineers and Tusaş complained about this situation a few times. As for engine to be likely developed with RR, RR put strong cards on table both in terms of license rights and production since they feel that Turkiye don't have an alternative way out of their offer. Also, Some reluctant statements by Turkish officials regarding possible deal with BAE for TFX Phase-2 were reflected in the press. Turkiye's cooperation offers for Tempest were also rejected by UK. The withdrawal of British royal air force which was said to join the last AnatolianEagle exercise also created question marks. Apart from this, there is a serious political confrontation and embargo from the West in almost every field, be them enlargement of NATO, terror operations or Russia/Ukraine war. Considering these conditions, TEI/TrMotor must have been given an unofficial development task for Tf35K engine as a precautionary measure. If everything was fine with the RR, no one would work with 300 engineers on the design of the engine on an engineer/day basis. RR's capability is indisputable but we all know what we are going to face when it comes to matters related with Turkiye bro.

AI-25TLT(Black Sea Shield - turbofan) The AI-25TLT licence-built by Turkish-Ukrainian joint venture BSS based in Istanbul for the Bayraktar MIUS[4]

I know wiki isn't reliable source, but I was thinking that continuing with Ukrainian design company is for the sake of the unmanned vehicles potentially crossover to jets if necessary.

AI-25 has been used for several trainer jets and is a very well tested engine, so having it license produced in Turkey (like China) would be very good for us. even if it says license built. I'm not sure it's being license built in Turkey or just assembled, as I don't think we know how much of the engine parts are produced domestically.

I don't think we'll get anything worthwhile cooperating with RR, as they're there to keep the R&D process at a certain pace, which could ultimately mean slowing us down. Remember that US-Brit doctrin is ensuring technological superiority of their allies, e.g. Israel and if they can't destroy R&D they can slow it down and hope to sabotage it through delays and political strife.

Thus I think AI-25 and our cooperation Ukraine is important in that regard and being able to make it with domestic means would ensure cost effective solution in the intermediate term while we work on our own engine.

 

[GoatsMilk]

I know wiki isn't reliable source, but I was thinking that continuing with Ukrainian design company is for the sake of the unmanned vehicles potentially crossover to jets if necessary.

AI-25 has been used for several trainer jets and is a very well tested engine, so having it license produced in Turkey (like China) would be very good for us. even if it says license built. I'm not sure it's being license built in Turkey or just assembled, as I don't think we know how much of the engine parts are produced domestically.

I don't think we'll get anything worthwhile cooperating with RR, as they're there to keep the R&D process at a certain pace, which could ultimately mean slowing us down. Remember that US-Brit doctrin is ensuring technological superiority of their allies, e.g. Israel and if they can't destroy R&D they can slow it down and hope to sabotage it through delays and political strife.

Thus I think AI-25 and our cooperation Ukraine is important in that regard and being able to make it with domestic means would ensure cost effective solution in the intermediate term while we work on our own engine.

Outside of Ukraine is there anyone else on earth Turkiye could work with to develop engine tech?

 

[Saithan]

Outside of Ukraine is there anyone else on earth Turkiye could work with to develop engine tech?

Someone outside US-western influence, I'd say none. Russia- China wouldn't want to cooperate, so our best bet are SEA countries like Indonesia, Malaysia who have some level of development that could potentially contribute in the future, but also gain something valuable from the cooperation.

 

[Heartbang]

Russia- China wouldn't want to cooperate

Plus their tech isn't up to snuff (at least for our standards)

 

[Chocopie]

Outside of Ukraine is there anyone else on earth Turkiye could work with to develop engine tech?

Maybe 2nd tier turbofan engine parts manufacturers from Germany, Italy or Spain.
India with their domestic Kaveri engine (Pakistan would flip out).
Japan's IHI with its XF9 engine (US would flip out, IHI now teamed up with 6th gen GCAP/Tempest group).

 

[Afif]

Maybe 2nd tier turbofan engine companies from Germany, Italy or Spain.
India with their domestic Kaveri engine (Pakistan would flip out).
Japan's IHI with its XF9 engine (US would flip out, IHI now teamed up with 6th gen GCAP/Tempest group).

AFAIK, XF9 was developed indeginously. So, why USA would flip out?

 

[Ryder]

I think Things aren't going as expected with UK. The contribution of BAE in TFX Phase-1 was very mediocre with mostly inexperienced engineers and Tusaş complained about this situation a few times. As for engine to be likely developed with RR, RR put strong cards on table both in terms of license rights and production since they feel that Turkiye don't have an alternative way out of their offer. Also, Some reluctant statements by Turkish officials regarding possible deal with BAE for TFX Phase-2 were reflected in the press. Turkiye's cooperation offers for Tempest were also rejected by UK. The withdrawal of British royal air force which was said to join the last AnatolianEagle exercise also created question marks. Apart from this, there is a serious political confrontation and embargo from the West in almost every field, be them enlargement of NATO, terror operations or Russia/Ukraine war. Considering these conditions, TEI/TrMotor must have been given an unofficial development task for Tf35K engine as a precautionary measure. If everything was fine with the RR, no one would work with 300 engineers on the design of the engine on an engineer/day basis. RR's capability is indisputable but we all know what we are going to face when it comes to matters related with Turkiye bro.

The Better Turkiye gets away from Europe and the West the better.

Artik its time to forge your own destiny.

 

[Chocopie]

AFAIK, XF9 was developed indeginously. So, why USA would flip out?

Over the decades Japan received a substantial transfer of technologies from the US for their civilian aerospace and space programs. When Japan independently developed their own F-2 fighter, the US intervened and made it a collaboration project to guarantee a US parts involvement and hinder the rise of a competing export rival. Japan cooperating with Türkiye in a military jet engine project? Washington would go ballistic!

 

[Yasar]

Let us look at Japan’s XF9 engine produced as a prototype by IHI corporation.

This engine uses Blisk fans and Blisk compressors to improve weight and performance. It has a much improved patented fuel delivery system in the combustor that gives more even heat distribution in chamber. It has high pressure turbine sections that can operate to 1800 degrees C and contains fifth generation single crystal blades that are friction-welded to form a Blisk like operation. This is enclosed in a shroud made from ceramic matrix composites.

The interesting point here is that , such a high tech engine produced in June 2018 as a prototype, has still not been integrated to a flying aircraft to be tested with a view to serial manufacturing. Can there be some external pressure stopping it from being integrated?

Does anybody think that IHI and the Japanese (with their sharing-reluctant policy of military tech) will be willing to form a collaboration with TEI and Turkey? Would GE or RR the new partner, allow IHI to share any of this with Turkish counterparts? Especially as some of these techs are infringing on big boys’ technological prowess area.

Same logic can be applied to Indian engine manufacturers in a short while as they are now receiving technological help from Safran and GE.

TEI may have to go alone in this quest of ours to develop our version of low bypass turbofan jet engines. We need to find as many fresh minds and brains to work on our TF6/10K and TF35K programs. It can be via Ukrainian input or via foreign recruitments. JVs with nations that are in the same position as ours can also yield contribution to a certain degree albeit of limited amount.

I still say that we should be looking in to a possible partnership with RR, even if it means just to get one foot in the door.