TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Huelague]

Next gen engines are focusing on huge excess electrical energy generation to power their lasers including future F35 blocks. We must do the same with TF-35000 and PDU, generators made by Volt. Or we will end up changing the engines we just installed to catch up with everyone else when they begin using laser weapons.

What about a mini reactor which China has developed already.

 

[Slayer]

Could Kizil Elma be used as a loyal wingman?

 

[Afif]

Could Kizil Elma be used as a loyal wingman?

I am suspicious about that. It is almost in itself a full package. (Specially with twin engine version)

Beside, TAI has its own autonomous loyal wingman project. (Their concept is more suitable IMO)

 

[dBSPL]

Could Kizil Elma be used as a loyal wingman?

In fact, the MALD system is one of the pioneering systems that gave birth to the loyal-wingman concept, as it enables the fighter jet in question to penetrate air defenses while on a safe course, and by jamming or decepting the enemy air defense system directly from another source, and give opportunity to engage TEL vehicles and radars at almost maximum range of its munitions carried.

This is just one of the capabilities that can be created by higly maneuverable drones that can be carried under the wing in accordance with the super lightning type loyal wingman profile. It's an open-ended field of study.

 

[Rooxbar]

I don't know if it was mentioned here but Temel Kotil in his interview mentioned that there will be 7 more prototypes.

TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Kotil: KAAN dünyanın en hızlı biten uçak projesi

TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Temel Kotil, milli savaş uçağı KAAN’ın uçuşunun ardından açıklamalarda bulundu. Kotil Bizim uçağımız F22-F35 arasında. Biz uçağın hava...

bigpara.hurriyet.com.tr

 

[YeşilVatan]

In fact, the MALD system is one of the pioneering systems that gave birth to the loyal-wingman concept, as it enables the fighter jet in question to penetrate air defenses while on a safe course, and by jamming or decepting the enemy air defense system directly from another source, and give opportunity to engage TEL vehicles and radars at almost maximum range of its munitions carried.

This is just one of the capabilities that can be created by higly maneuverable drones that can be carried under the wing in accordance with the super lightning type loyal wingman profile. It's an open-ended field of study.

Ever since I learned about the conops regarding MALD and similar things, I'm pretty convinced that those will be very influential in air warfare. After all, all warfare is deception. If we have a device that can successfully mimic F-16 signature, it would be a huge asset. Just think about it, release a few from an Akıncı, and you have a phantom squadron appearing on the map that forces the enemy to react. If they are smaller, it gets much more complicated for the enemy. Now think about having hundreds of them... This has very serious implications both with regards to SEAD/DEAD and air-to-air operations.

I wonder how feasible is it to transport those to the theater via a cheaper alternative, and how viable is it to make that alternative stealth... In other words, can we see loyal wingmen/decoy UAVs deployed from internal bays. It would require a bomber aircraft most likely.

 

[Saithan]

Seems discussions since the maiden flight has taken off also.

But let’s remember this is another step on our journey. Until TuAF has received a few hundred KAAN we’re still not out of the danger zone.

20 KAAN with GE engine is a nice beginning and I think it’d be worth considering to have more. Especially if we’re going to use them on active duty and testings at the same time. Also to build more jets and spreading the knowhow.

Also I didn’t mention it, but could US have approved the sale of F16 and upgrades because they somehow had known about KAAN’s maiden flight.

notice how no one is talking about the F16 or upgrades… I think it’s deadly important to keep an eye on the ball now and for the foreseeable future for some foul play of sorts.

What comes after the maiden flight, these must be tracked and followed and I hope public gets informed and everything goes according to timeline.

 

[dBSPL]

Ever since I learned about the conops regarding MALD and similar things, I'm pretty convinced that those will be very influential in air warfare. After all, all warfare is deception. If we have a device that can successfully mimic F-16 signature, it would be a huge asset. Just think about it, release a few from an Akıncı, and you have a phantom squadron appearing on the map that forces the enemy to react. If they are smaller, it gets much more complicated for the enemy. Now think about having hundreds of them... This has very serious implications both with regards to SEAD/DEAD and air-to-air operations.

I wonder how feasible is it to transport those to the theater via a cheaper alternative, and how viable is it to make that alternative stealth... In other words, can we see loyal wingmen/decoy UAVs deployed from internal bays. It would require a bomber aircraft most likely.

There is a serious interest especially on the US side, in recoverable, low-cost, maneuverable UAVs with advanced flight controls and navigation systems, and they have invested in many projects under DARPA. The project that particularly interested me was Dynetics' Gremlin concept. The mid-air recoverable target made this project quite recognizable, but I think the main thing was the desire to create a system that could be used with different payloads in both saturation and special mission profiles with these aircraft produced at the lowest possible cost, so that the US air force could release this system by the dozen from the aft ramp of cargo planes.

I am not a flight dynamics expert, but in my limited knowledge, I see the Super Lightning airframe as an extremely agile drone if have proper jet engines that can mimic the maneuvers of combat aircraft. The range problem can be solved by carrying it under the wing. As far as I know, these drones also have a parachute system. At the end of the day, it is basically a more flexible and versatile system by combining target aircraft with propelled ew systems like MALD, or high speed loitering munitions.

TAI was not able to sell enough target aircraft to the air force because the air force shoots down targets tied to the back of the target aircraft, but as soon as you move this to a combat area, there will be a very serious demand for it. lol.

 

[Huelague]

I learned an interesting fact right now.
If US doesnt give us the engines, we will use existing ones on F-16.

 

[Huelague]

Temil Kotil sharing more good news
Domestic ejection seat is coming soon and rec9nfirms that KAAN will be delivered by 2028 to the TAF
God bless that man

TAI General Manager Temel Kotil:
>Turkish engine is coming to KAAN in 2028.
>We, as TAI, will also build the ejection seat. He will come before. It will be 100% Turkish made.
>The 20 KAANs to be delivered in 2028 will be slightly larger than the F-16s. It has more modern systems than the F-35. They do not give F-35s to friendly countries. Then their only plane was KAAN.
>In 2030-2032, we will have aircraft that will meet the needs of 2-3 countries.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1761312329403093372

Kaan will be slightly better than F-16???

 

[Radko]

Kaan will be slightly better than F-16???

General population knows the F-16, it is to give context

 

[Quasar]

I learned an interesting fact right now.
If US doesnt give us the engines, we will use existing ones on F-16.

unfortunatly not because of the engine layout ( directions of fuel pump....etc) you need one right and one left engine and no engine blades doesnt need to turn to opposite directions

 

[Radko]

unfortunatly not because of the engine layout ( directions of fuel pump....etc) you need one right and one left engine and no engine blades doesnt need to turn to opposite directions

thats just BS

 

[Huelague]

unfortunatly not because of the engine layout ( directions of fuel pump....etc) you need one right and one left engine and no engine blades doesnt need to turn to opposite directions

Its not about layout, its a kind of reinsurance, until our engine is ready.

 

[Baryshx]

6th Gen will probably come with
Advanced propulsion, variable bypass design, and CMC turbine blades
Galium oxide radars
Wideband RF and IR stealth
Advanced networking (LEO SAT constellation), data fusion, and MUM-T
Aerodynamic design without vertical stabilizers
Increased power production (1MW)
High-powered laser.

Real 6th-gen fighters will most likely come with these features meanwhile there will be 5.5th-gen fighters that will have some of them.

I think the most important thing for 6th Gen will be more use of artificial intelligence. There will be less work for the pilot. This would be a great preparation for the 7th Gen unmanned airplane.

 

[Baryshx]

I think the most important thing for 6th Gen will be more use of artificial intelligence. There will be less work for the pilot. This would be a great preparation for the 7th Gen unmanned airplane.

I forgot to write about quantum radars. 7th gen maybe come with quantum radars. This means a serious problem for stealth airplanes.

 

[Quasar]

I think the most important thing for 6th Gen will be more use of artificial intelligence. There will be less work for the pilot. This would be a great preparation for the 7th Gen unmanned airplane.

for me the most important feature of NGAD distinguishing it from the rest and hardest to achieve will be the potential breakthrough in altitude & networking range

 

[Rodeo]

https://x.com/clashreport/status/1761460621139202197?s=09

It looks normal now. four countries are listed and one of them Turkiye.

 

[dBSPL]

A work that stirs emotions. Only a few years from now we will see an elephant march with the first block of KAANs.

I wish I could dig through the net archives and show you the topics discussed in the defense forums around 2000-2004 and how modest the dreams of the community were compared to today...

Yes, we are at the beginning, but just getting to the beginning of the track is an extraordinary achievement. It's a challenge that will probably be told for generations...

 

[Huelague]

Some interesting explanations