TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Huelague]

Germany will never join KAAN project. You need to know how they view Türkiye. They think whatever we do is inferior, so they will only buy some munition from us. Crazy even to think about it!

I wish so much that KAAN is successful but we need to realize nothing is proven yet. And even the success of Bayraktar TB2 was of short duration. We have a lot on paper and prototype but no evidence they work in real life. This is how they see it.

You think that Germany has “Combat Proven” systems? Until yesterday, it was not allow to sell into conflict regions or countries who are at war. Superior behavior or not, they look very closely to our defense industry and systems. They are very aware what we can and what we can not.

 

[mehmed beg]

Well as I said a couple hours ago, seemingly Indian Air Force gave a go ahead for the purchase or whatever of 114 Rafales for 30bn Euros, so if it is the case, they will add 7 or 8bn to Safran for TOT od AMCA engine.
So Germana can do d all in that case. As of British led project, Britain would never let them to join as any serious partner. It took Britain years to persuade these jokers to sell Typhoons to Turkiye and some upgrades and spares to Saudi. Who wants to spend 20 odd billions that some bum from IG Metal can bust their balls?
As of KAANs to Egypt? Who cares about that? Let them buy J35 . Saudis? Joining British led programme? Let them. What they expect to get from that? The production of few parts, maintenance etc
If Turkey manages to make proper engines, I am sure that at least some of invested money can be recouped. In any case Saudi and Egypt are true enemies of Turkiye.

 

[AlperTunga]

You think that Germany has “Combat Proven” systems? Until yesterday, it was not allow to sell into conflict regions or countries who are at war. Superior behavior or not, they look very closely to our defense industry and systems. They are very aware what we can and what we can not.

Germany is the pinnacle of engineering. If they want they can do it. French and british technology are inferior to Germany. Dont forget we are still not capable of building AIP submarines or Leo tanks. Are we capable of building a car like mercedes including its engines?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Germany is the pinnacle of engineering. If they want they can do it. French and british technology are inferior to Germany. Dont forget we are still not capable of building AIP submarines or Leo tanks. Are we capable of building a car like mercedes including its engines?

Iris-T missile systems that consist of air to air, surface to air are built by mainly German technology behind it. Namely DIEHL defence Systems.
Rheinmetal for artillery systems,
MTU /RR engines for marine use and heavy armoured vehicles,
MTU aero engines (derived from old BMW aero engines) that part produces EJ200 engines for Typhoon jets with RR help. but they are the people that first developed Blisk technology for compressor blades used first in ej200 engines,
Mbda Germany for missile systems,
Airbus Germany building Typhoon jets,
Leopard tanks,
AIP submarines,
RAM point defence systems’ missile production,
Naval ships

Are just some of the top end German military achievements. Almost all of the above are combat proven in one way or another.

But in aerospace they are behind both France and UK . However can catch up quickly if given the chance.

 

[Huelague]

Germany is the pinnacle of engineering. If they want they can do it. French and british technology are inferior to Germany. Dont forget we are still not capable of building AIP submarines or Leo tanks. Are we capable of building a car like mercedes including its engines?

Nobody denies that, but Germanys advantage was not only the technology ledge, it was the practical experience in the wars. Now, they don’t see the defense industry as a necessity. They see it as a business. Accordingly that is the quality. Listen to the ones who talk about German systems. Ukraine for one example. They are anything else than satisfied.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Iris-T missile systems that consist of air to air, surface to air are built by mainly German technology behind it. Namely DIEHL defence Systems.
Rheinmetal for artillery systems,
MTU /RR engines for marine use and heavy armoured vehicles,
MTU aero engines (derived from old BMW aero engines) that part produces EJ200 engines for Typhoon jets with RR help. but they are the people that first developed Blisk technology for compressor blades used first in ej200 engines,
Mbda Germany for missile systems,
Airbus Germany building Typhoon jets,
Leopard tanks,
AIP submarines,
RAM point defence systems’ missile production,
Naval ships

Are just some of the top end German military achievements. Almost all of the above are combat proven in one way or another.

But in aerospace they are behind both France and UK . However can catch up quickly if given the chance.

There's no doubt about Germany's military industrial rank and achievements, however, knowing them, it will be delays after delays either deliberate or because of extensive red tape. So my opinion is to refuse even if Germany wanted in.

 

[Sanchez]

Kaan as a project is not in a state to be shared with other countries for joint development. To open this up, all the development milestones and future tech for Kaan B0, B10 and B20 are already set in stone. There is no tech to be worked on from beginning for Kaan, no tech we need from someone else. Only "tech" being sough after are the F110 engines for the B10; that's it. Rest are to be Turkish. Development of some things can be distributed among other companies, but Turkey still retains the IP for whole aircraft.

If any country wants to be part of Kaan as a customer or as a building partner, agreements can be made. Joint development is not part of it; and except the engine, there's no roadblock any country can put ahead of Kaan's development or production.

 

[mehmed beg]

Maybe, once upon time Germany was technologically leading nation . I don't think that they are even close to Britain and France today.
Germany doesn't need to maintain the nuclear deterrent, no?
How complex is to design and produce M54 ICBM? To build ballistic missiles and attack missiles submarines? Satellites? Aircraft carriers? Nuclear reactors? Naval aviation airing? Etc.
Once upon time, Germans had completely different mentality. It is conquered and dismantled nation.
They had a better flying demonstrator then F117 , fantastic stealth training jet design and jump jet etc, no?
Nowadays, whatever requires the real brain, comes from Israel or USA? air defence? Etc? To invest in such stupid project like EuroDrone and then decide to buy American sea patrol drone???? Does someone honestly think that free nation would make such a move?
I don't think that PHZ self propelled howitzer is that good, at least not in practice. I don't think Puma IVF is very reliable platform. I think that German tinkering made NH90 very good helicopter.
I don't think that anything what Turkiye produces is truly inferior to the German products, let alone combat readiness.
They are basically an instrument which is used to dismantle Europe. What Europe has become, I don't truly care what happens to Europe.

 

[Sanchez]

NEW: Turkish Aerospace General Manager Mehmet Demiroglu told Breaking Defense that the decision-making process for Saudi Arabia’s participation in the KAAN fighter program is in its final stages.

The company aims to reach a significant milestone this year, potentially starting with a sale of approximately 20 aircraft. Alternatively, the partnership could involve local production, which would require a commitment of at least 50 planes to justify a final assembly line in Saudi Arabia.

Demiroglu noted that future sixth-generation projects would likely involve even larger quantities given the scale of the Saudi market. This cooperation marks a potential shift toward deeper industrial sharing between the two nations.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2022281149213495588

 

[KAAN]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2022327640833839227

KAAN P1 is finally here!

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2022327640833839227

KAAN P1 is finally here!

Finally

 

[Sanchez]

Within the scope of our National Combat Aircraft KAAN Project, we visited our KAAN hangar, received comprehensive information on the latest stage reached in our full-scale static test aircraft, and examined the ongoing work on-site.

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2022327501301616796

MOTHER OF GOD, WE EAT GOOD TODAY.

 

[Khagan1923]

Beauty, they did a really good job fixing the proportion. Both P1 and P2 look really good.

 

[Sanchez]

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Beauty, they did a really good job fixing the proportion. Both P1 and P2 look really good.

To clarify, it looks like the one behind the P0 is the static test article, or the iron bird. One on the left is the P1. P2 is not out yet.

 

[hugh]

i was looking to find out about P1's landing gear bays(and its non-existent doors), only to find out they blurred them on the video. what could be the reason?

 

[Pete Mitchell Maverick]

Here are the updates I've spotted so far:

The air intakes are positioned further back, suggesting the aircraft's length has been shortened a bit.

Other than that, the radome is more compact and smaller.

Also, the P1 now features the actual landing gear. These are the main changes I've seen up to this point.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

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Beauty, they did a really good job fixing the proportion. Both P1 and P2 look really good.

İts to me or the nose is still same as P0 ?

 

[hugh]

TUSAŞ CEO:

"The 10 engines we have are sufficient for the prototypes.

We are awaiting engines from the USA, and we are currently in the final stage of the approval process.

We will likely receive approval for the first batch of blocks 10 and 20 this month, or perhaps next month. "

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2022325470054826229

 

[IC3M@N FX]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2022327640833839227

KAAN P1 is finally here!

BÄM welcome to the next Generation of Aviation in Turkey

 

[Yasar_TR]

This is great news. Finally we have sight of P1 Kaan.
They need to hurry up and fly this asap and produce the P2 and P3 subsequently as well so that all relevant testing procedures are completed before end of 2027 or latest by mid 2028. Then we need to start LRIP cycle to get some Block10 planes in to our airforce inventory.

TEI needs to start the licence production of around 90+ f110GE129E engines as well in late 2027 or early 2028. Hopefully that production line will convert to the production line of TF35000 engines in the early 2030’s.