TF-X Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircraft Projects

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Nozzle shape is identical to GE F404 bro but I don't know why It looks longer to me. Maybe it is about image angle.

Ej200
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Hürjet
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Definitely not Ej200 or RD93, engine nozzle looks like F404 or F414. But model looks more detailed than before, probably they changed it to the final design or 3D designer find it easier to make it square.. It does not look as bad as Tornado but a bit worse than Gripen

T629 (non-electric one) is not in the new projects, I wonder what will happen to that project.. Like Göksungur it is changing course
 

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The boxyness of intakes and the general look is affected by the perspective presentation of the model on the TAI website. When you look from the top you can see the actual look.

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Is it just me or is the T-929 and Hürjet getting uglier every time they publish new images? I hope they don't change much from MMU because it's beauty.

Isn't that boxy design affecting aerodynamics?
 

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Is it just me or is the T-929 and Hürjet getting uglier every time they publish new images? I hope they don't change much from MMU because it's beauty.

Isn't that boxy design affecting aerodynamics?

I think some one should ask @JDAM in other forum since his master degree is in Aerodynamics from US university
 

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Is it just me or is the T-929 and Hürjet getting uglier every time they publish new images? I hope they don't change much from MMU because it's beauty.

Isn't that boxy design affecting aerodynamics?

i am with you about the Atak II

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Atak-2 grew some nipples, wore a cap and flared its wings when it had some private time.
I bet it will change itself once again before it hatches.

The flared wings help with stability on planes like Akıncı but they are too small to make a difference on Atak2.
It may only help cram more weapons in a tighter space and reduce some footprint.
 

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Atak-2 grew some nipples, wore a cap and flared its wings when it had some private time.
I bet it will change itself once again before it hatches.

The flared wings help with stability on planes like Akıncı but they are too small to make a difference on Atak2.
It may only help cram more weapons in a tighter space and reduce some footprint.

It will change couple dozen times more :) just like T625, T629 and Hurjet before it.
 

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There is so much good and positive news coming regarding Hurjet. But there are three very important questions I would have liked the interviewers ask both Kotil and Demir :
1. Have we got the prototype engines in house?
2. What version of engine are we going to use?
3. And do we have guarantee of supply?
Because without positive answers to these questions, Hurjet project is a non starter.
I. Demir has been reiterating that there are plan B’s and C’s in place regarding engines. But having burnt one’s hands before with engine problems I am sure that every Turk in defence industry is anxious about engines.
What we really need is a rabbit like BATU out of TEI’s hat!
 

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There is so much good and positive news coming regarding Hurjet. But there are three very important questions I would have liked the interviewers ask both Kotil and Demir :
1. Have we got the prototype engines in house?
2. What version of engine are we going to use?
3. And do we have guarantee of supply?
Because without positive answers to these questions, Hurjet project is a non starter.
I. Demir has been reiterating that there are plan B’s and C’s in place regarding engines. But having burnt one’s hands before with engine problems I am sure that every Turk in defence industry is anxious about engines.
What we really need is a rabbit like BATU out of TEI’s hat!
We can possibly make a domestic engine for Hürjet too once we have advanced the work for the TFX engine. It will be relatively easy to do so. Until we make such an engine small production numbers with stocked engines will be acceptable. It will even be a good test of capabilities before we start producing the larger engine.

I think even a twin engine configuration can be considered with a smaller engine if things go awry.
Pivoting to a twin engine configuration will probably require +80% less development work than starting fresh.
 
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There is so much good and positive news coming regarding Hurjet. But there are three very important questions I would have liked the interviewers ask both Kotil and Demir :
1. Have we got the prototype engines in house?
2. What version of engine are we going to use?
3. And do we have guarantee of supply?
Because without positive answers to these questions, Hurjet project is a non starter.
I. Demir has been reiterating that there are plan B’s and C’s in place regarding engines. But having burnt one’s hands before with engine problems I am sure that every Turk in defence industry is anxious about engines.
What we really need is a rabbit like BATU out of TEI’s hat!

Mate there are and ALWAYS be Issues!!!!
Turkiye jumped to TOP GROUP of Countries Building HIGH TECHS.
NOW Those few countries WILL DO ALL neccesery to Crash Competitors "It is no Pinky Game"

Important thing is No way to predict all possible problems. There is a approach applied usually when NEW PROJECT Starts it is called "RISK MANAGMENT"
It is like this -> Analysis of feasible problem which CAN happend from start to the end of Project. So group which is assigned to analysis this NEED be paranoic.


Other important thing which I like to see happening again and again "HATE of WEST" on Turkiye and its ppl which work on Future "Dream" projects.

Why? Beacuse that ->
"We need to understand deep down inside of us, is that we can’t control the outcomes of a situation. The only part we can control are the inputs. If you get over that mental hurdle, everything in this world and beyond seems approachable. If an individual never fails, he never tried. And unless he never tries, he won’t succeed."

"The greatest teacher, failure is.
If you can’t believe it. That is why you fail. "


Turkiye believes and ppl working on that projects make the inputs in way that this Dream/Believe become real.
 

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We can possibly make a domestic engine for Hürjet too once we have advanced the work for the TFX engine. It will be relatively easy to do so. Until we make such an engine small production numbers with stocked engines will be acceptable. It will even be a good test of capabilities before we start producing the larger engine.

I think even a twin engine configuration can be considered with a smaller engine if things go awry.
Pivoting to a twin engine configuration will probably require +80% less development work then from starting fresh.
Talking about twin engines; ts1400 core can be converted to a turbofan developing 8500-9500lbf thrust. That should be enough to power Hurjet as a trainer.
 

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We can possibly make a domestic engine for Hürjet too once we have advanced the work for the TFX engine. It will be relatively easy to do so. Until we make such an engine small production numbers with stocked engines will be acceptable. It will even be a good test of capabilities before we start producing the larger engine.

I think even a twin engine configuration can be considered with a smaller engine if things go awry.
Pivoting to a twin engine configuration will probably require +80% less development work than starting fresh.

I think instead of trying to 'up-gun' the Hurjet into a fighter, it might be better to keep it as a LIFT. Rather, Turkey could look at using the TR Motor to design and develop a new single-engine medium-weight fighter. Of course, this probably can't be a thing until after the MMU.
 

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