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Your nationalism goes too far if you think hiring foreign engineers that are badly needed for a local TAI office is something bad.

Time for a reality check, TAI is not stupid, they know what they are doing. As the CEO as stated numerous times, the core people are Turkish, and many foreigners are involved in the development of smaller projects with limited scopes. They dont necessarily see the big picture, i.e. everything in the project.

Are we to believe that companies with greater Intellectual Properties and bigger projects that are hiring talented engineers are mistaken? Lockheed, Boeing, Airbus or BAE have been doing this for decades, its called internationalization. It lowers the costs of the project, it brings in badly needed well-educated people. In short its good for the project and Turkey.

also since tusas vision is much greater then being limited to türkiye its a no-brainer that non-turks will work in that company as well. I think we have some folks in this forum who work at supermarkets and that really have no idea how large corporations work lel
 

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how can people say that an office , which will take a critical role in tfx fighter it seems, in Pakistan si not a security risk for our country??
We are not talking about a pakistani engineer who will work in Tusas ANKARA where he can not take critical informations out of the country !!
We should get experienced engineers in our project, but that does not mean that we should recruit them in another countries for our crtical projects!! especially in Pakistan where any chinese spy can get access!!
Additionally, why qatar university students get right to make apprenticeship at TUSAS?? where they cen release some critical informations outside of company!!
You seem to me as a smart guy. What do you thing, how can TAI ensure this security leak, under current retention?
 

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You seem to me as a smart guy. What do you thing, how can TAI ensure this security leak, under current retention?
First of all, abroad offices should only work for some components etc only or on critically less important projects.
If this guy will get access to our flight dynamics or simulation of flight dynamics systems of our TFX in Pakistan office. That is fucking problem , be sure on this!! Since if they know fly characteristics , an experienced aerospace company can guess aircrafts all manueveribility in every condition and can find weak points .
TUSAŞ should recruit experienced,brilliant foreigners but in Ankara office or in anywhere in Turkey.
Additionally, TUSAŞ should not give it's offshore offices critical projects as much as possible.
If TUSAŞ facilities in Ankara can not handle the work, TUSAŞ can distribute some of its work to other defense companies like they made some companies produced canopy.

If still some engineers can work only in abroad, they should work in western countries excluding turkey hatred ones as much as possible. Since western countries can barely dictate to reach any companies documents etc.
in eastern countries, government can get any companies documents if they want. Since they have no rule of laws etc.
 

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First of all, abroad offices should only work for some components etc only or on critically less important projects.
If this guy will get access to our flight dynamics or simulation of flight dynamics systems of our TFX in Pakistan office. That is fucking problem , be sure on this!! Since if they know fly characteristics , an experienced aerospace company can guess aircrafts all manueveribility in every condition and can find weak points .
TUSAŞ should recruit experienced,brilliant foreigners but in Ankara office or in anywhere in Turkey.
Additionally, TUSAŞ should not give it's offshore offices critical projects as much as possible.
If TUSAŞ facilities in Ankara can not handle the work, TUSAŞ can distribute some of its work to other defense companies like they made some companies produced canopy.

If still some engineers can work only in abroad, they should work in western countries excluding turkey hatred ones as much as possible. Since western countries can barely dictate to reach any companies documents etc.
in eastern countries, government can get any companies documents if they want. Since they have no rule of laws etc.

It is not sure if that particular guy will work on the TF-X. Actually if that would be the case I don’t think he’ll be allowed to post it on social media.
 

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But outsourcing is bad news. Boeing shit quality nowadays not just due to sjw crap and affirmative action but also outsourcing to other countries.

That's not true. There is a rigorous applied safety protocol (extensive testing and verification at various levels of the hierarchy).

That deals with all "outsourced" work before it can make it to where human souls are depending on it.

So outsourcing is not the problem, something(s) failed in the protocol application....that is 100% on Boeing.

Design department strictly within Boeing after all have made flawed designs before that have been rejected by the protocol process....and some have gotten through previously as well (again by flawed application of the protocol)

Details of this (and the penalties + remedial actions) w.r.t 737 MAX (or say 787 battery) can be read in the FAA investigation but they tend to be quite long reads. A lot of detail is lost in the media clickbait articles unfortunately (which have various agendas to peddle).

It is part of my current job to do just this kind of thing (for both what we do in-house and outsource to say universities and external design + coding groups) before I can put my seal on it and pass it upwards for more final checks.

I have yet to be overruled....but I have overruled those below me at various times if things did not tick all the boxes we have stringently set up (before we can evaluate performance dividends past it)....including for work outsourced.

None of the outsourced work teams put their seal on it (or are part of the vetting + overruling process) and bear no liability on the contracted work....as we do not outsource safety and testing standards to them given what we finally are liable for when we take ownership of the work.

TAI similarly would have its stringent protocols for anything done both in its domestic design teams and any international branches/outsourcing/consultancy.

There is often slightly different rubric for military (since you are pushing the envelope and the final product has far fewer human lives on the line directly) but overall same concept applies how you approach safety (and the things past that afterwards).

But there should be absolutely no difference (in the consistent safety protocol approach used) between what you receive from internal design teams and what you contract or delegate elsewhere.

This stringency would also govern IP and industrial secret (or military secret) access and info flow. You simply design the "need to know" structure from inside out. That is again something TAI would take seriously already.
 

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I wonder how the HMD program is going. That is of critical importance. We can't be flying around with HGU knock-offs. We haven't heard anything regarding the helmet for a very long time. Did ASELSAN and TAI even sign an agreement to begin with? They were certainly expected to do so in 2021.
 

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China wants to exchange know-how technology of 5th gen fighter with Türkiye’s drone tech​

Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan disclosed that a superpower wants to exchange know how technology of 5th generation fighter with Türkiye’s drone technology a few days ago.

Straturka has learned from defense analysts that it was China offering the exchange.
 

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China wants to exchange know-how technology of 5th gen fighter with Türkiye’s drone tech​

Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan disclosed that a superpower wants to exchange know how technology of 5th generation fighter with Türkiye’s drone technology a few days ago.

Straturka has learned from defense analysts that it was China offering the exchange.
Its pretty hard to believe , 5th Gen aircraft technology is the holy grail of Chinese Defence industry.
 

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China wants to exchange know-how technology of 5th gen fighter with Türkiye’s drone tech​

Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan disclosed that a superpower wants to exchange know how technology of 5th generation fighter with Türkiye’s drone technology a few days ago.

Straturka has learned from defense analysts that it was China offering the exchange.
Bullshit...
 

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China wants to exchange know-how technology of 5th gen fighter with Türkiye’s drone tech​

Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan disclosed that a superpower wants to exchange know how technology of 5th generation fighter with Türkiye’s drone technology a few days ago.

Straturka has learned from defense analysts that it was China offering the exchange.
Hahaha I cant believe that this idiot, TurkishFacts4u, was right after all
I just hope that Turkey doesnt accept such a deal; this deal seems good on papee but is fqing laced with poison👇👇👇



 

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I cant see nothing wrong to exchange tech between two countries, alot of other countries have done like france with india etc etc , Baykar tb2 its just a small drone but it seems its brain (software) is great and we can trade it with other chinise engine tech or better with ICBM tech 😍😍🇨🇳🇹🇷
 

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I cant see nothing wrong to exchange tech between two countries, alot of other countries have done like france with india etc etc , Baykar tb2 its just a small drone but it seems its brain (software) is great and we can trade it with other chinise engine tech or better with ICBM tech 😍😍🇨🇳🇹🇷
Seriously? You have got to be kidding right?
Why on bloody earth should we sell the brains of Turkish drones to one the prime enemies and competitors, China, for something that Turkey sooner or later will possess; i-e, engine tech.

TEI TF-6000 is a reality, military version of TEI TS-1400 is coming and KALE KTJ-3200 is among many engines that Turkey is in the process of developing

If China really wants the "brain" of Turkish drones, then only nuclear tech should change the govt mind otherwise the answer should be a clear NO
 

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China wants to exchange know-how technology of 5th gen fighter with Türkiye’s drone tech​

Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan disclosed that a superpower wants to exchange know how technology of 5th generation fighter with Türkiye’s drone technology a few days ago.

Straturka has learned from defense analysts that it was China offering the exchange.
People who believes in this, also believes in the Bulgarian ladies who calls them and asking money to come TR, to get married with them :)
Anyway, no offense but claims and the source is quite in level with that kind of scheme.
 

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Seriously? You have got to be kidding right?
Why on bloody earth should we sell the brains of Turkish drones to one the prime enemies and competitors, China, for something that Turkey sooner or later will possess; i-e, engine tech.

TEI TF-6000 is a reality, military version of TEI TS-1400 is coming and KALE KTJ-3200 is among many engines that Turkey is in the process of developing

If China really wants the "brain" of Turkish drones, then only nuclear tech should change the govt mind otherwise the answer should be a clear NO

Nuclear tech is easy , everyone can do it if they find some engeeners and have money , but west threats and economic embargoes stop other countries to develop it . Even South Africa had some Nukes decades ago ,or small israel and N korea 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
ICBM tech is diffucult and Turkiye needs it .
 

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Nuclear tech is easy , everyone can do it if they find some engeeners and have money , but west threats and economic embargoes stop other countries to develop it . Even South Africa had some Nukes decades ago ,or small israel and N korea 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
ICBM tech is diffucult and Turkiye needs it .
Who said Nuclear tech is easy? Especially the Military one.
 

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Nükleer teknolojinin kolay olduğunu kim söyledi? Özellikle Askeri olanı.
It's easy if Pakistan and India did it.:ROFLMAO::p

Kidding aside, in the embargo after the 1974 Cyprus intervention, we could start the nuclear business. We should have moved on this path together with Pakistan.

All because of incompetent politicians and generals.
 

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