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Better off with no fortification. At least it would be harder to spot. Government account seriously sharing this makes it even worse.
 

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Better off with no fortification. At least it would be harder to spot. Government account seriously sharing this makes it even worse.
I think the mistake is in the user in this case the Gendarmerie. The lego blocks can really help in the fast construction of some structures but in that case that little... ehm... thing is even dangerous for the soldiers in case of fire. A firing position should optimally be reinforced with sandbags or similar. Those hard points of the lego blocks can really turn into a shrapnel after explosion or enemy fire and can seriously injure or kill the personnel there.

The usage in the picture below is the proper way and from the same place.
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Is it feasible to integrate Pulat on these small fortifications to protect against ATGM attacks?

APS changes how infantry/armor function together. You can't have infantry near the armor as the explosive charge from APS might injure or kill anyone near it. Pulat wouldn't be ideal as close how explosion would be to the fortification. It can end causing even more damage when the Pulat explosion and rocket hit is combined. Also Pulat can only protect an certain angle, limited coverage. Maybe it could be applicable in some cases, where it wouldn't dangerous to infantry.

AKKOR would be more ideal as it can neutralize threats from further away. Still not enough distance though. If extended range land based variant can be made. It could be more ideal.

I think the best solution is land based APS radar that can detect, track, locate incoming ATGM, rockets etc. Approx location of attackers can be detected. Quickly a loitering munition can be dispatched like STM Kargu to further track and neutralize. Also it should be able to be integrated variety of other systems, sensors. Automatic mortar fire to neutralize or disorientate attackers so they can't attack further. If quick response can be achieved. Attackers will be less hesitant to attack in the future. Same psychology with the drones as why they can't be in large groups even when there is no drones.

Bases need to build with the threats in mind. Hesco barriers can easily survive ATGM. Fortifications should be designed as much as possible to deflect blast. There should be no death bunkers, you can shoot and kill anyone inside with the blast etc.

I don't think there is a army in the world that gives training to survive use of ATGM against anti-personnel. There should be at this point
 

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I think the mistake is in the user in this case the Gendarmerie. The lego blocks can really help in the fast construction of some structures but in that case that little... ehm... thing is even dangerous for the soldiers in case of fire. A firing position should optimally be reinforced with sandbags or similar. Those hard points of the lego blocks can really turn into a shrapnel after explosion or enemy fire and can seriously injure or kill the personnel there.

The usage in the picture below is the proper way and from the same place.
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Maybe it was under construction/ preparation but the photographer had limited time and forced them to take a picture?
the source is from "Vali"... may describe how these people have felt in there.
 

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APS changes how infantry/armor function together. You can't have infantry near the armor as the explosive charge from APS might injure or kill anyone near it. Pulat wouldn't be ideal as close how explosion would be to the fortification. It can end causing even more damage when the Pulat explosion and rocket hit is combined. Also Pulat can only protect an certain angle, limited coverage. Maybe it could be applicable in some cases, where it wouldn't dangerous to infantry.

AKKOR would be more ideal as it can neutralize threats from further away. Still not enough distance though. If extended range land based variant can be made. It could be more ideal.

I think the best solution is land based APS radar that can detect, track, locate incoming ATGM, rockets etc. Approx location of attackers can be detected. Quickly a loitering munition can be dispatched like STM Kargu to further track and neutralize. Also it should be able to be integrated variety of other systems, sensors. Automatic mortar fire to neutralize or disorientate attackers so they can't attack further. If quick response can be achieved. Attackers will be less hesitant to attack in the future. Same psychology with the drones as why they can't be in large groups even when there is no drones.

Bases need to build with the threats in mind. Hesco barriers can easily survive ATGM. Fortifications should be designed as much as possible to deflect blast. There should be no death bunkers, you can shoot and kill anyone inside with the blast etc.

I don't think there is a army in the world that gives training to survive use of ATGM against anti-personnel. There should be at this point
Shrapnel damage is unavoidable at any case but an APS would prevent penetration. In a best case scenario, the soldier would be injured but still alive. Also Pulat has it's own radar and is cheaper than Akkor.
 

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Shrapnel damage is unavoidable at any case but an APS would prevent penetration. In a best case scenario, the soldier would be injured but still alive.

All of this can be avoided with a APS radar system integrated with other systems I believe. I don't think hard-kill system is needed with good fortification and training. ATGM will not penetrate through a good wall, sand barrier. It's not an anti-structure, personnel weapon. In most cases it wouldn't injure or kill unless its a direct hit. Infantry shouldn't expose themselves for a direct hit in the first place. A system can be designed to warn soldiers to take cover when a incoming missile is detected using siren or radio. Approx location of ATGM launcher can be detected immediately. There is many ways to engage. Loitering munition will be the best I think.
 
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We need to be flying drones in Iran. We can. They wouldn't even able to detect or do nothing to them. I am tired of Iran supporting PKK and we are doing nothing. There is so many things we can do.
 

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We need to be flying drones in Iran. We can. They wouldn't even able to detect or do nothing to them. I am tired of Iran supporting PKK and we are doing nothing. There is so many things we can do.

Seriously even in Iraq-iran war we were neutral guess what iran paid it back by supporting terrorist groups in Turkey like pkk.

Turkey needs to have hard stance against iran im sick of this passiveness bs.

Strike them!! Where ever they are. Thats why I support the Saudis against the Houthis because the Iranians need to have their teeth knocked.
 
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Unfortunately we have a martyr again in Agri's Dogubayazit. Within the scope of Eren-15 operation Gendarmerie Special Operations JOH personnel Gendarmerie Specialist Sergeant Huseyin KELES was martyred in a firefight. The PKK terrorists infiltrated from Iran. May Allah accept his martyrdom!
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While Western Leftists and Western liberals praise the terrorist pkk/ypg for being "feminist".

See how the pkk are in reality by brutally murdering teachers. A lot of Turkish teachers sent to Eastern Turkey were female.

May Allah have mercy on their souls. May Allah destroy pkk terrorists. Never forget and never forgive. Ruhlari sad olsun to our teachers both male and female who put their lives on the line just so kids can get an education
 
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I believe that our cleanup in Iraq is necessary to confine the PKK's actions to Iran only. I know that we'll have issue with cleaning up YPG/PKK in Syria because of US support, but that will come too. Once Iraq is cleaned as much as possible we can start erasing PKK and strenghtening Iraq's armed forces. Heck we might as well train them ourselves. That way we can pick and choose who to train.
 

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I believe that our cleanup in Iraq is necessary to confine the PKK's actions to Iran only. I know that we'll have issue with cleaning up YPG/PKK in Syria because of US support, but that will come too. Once Iraq is cleaned as much as possible we can start erasing PKK and strenghtening Iraq's armed forces. Heck we might as well train them ourselves. That way we can pick and choose who to train.
If Sincar/Duhok region is not under Turkish control it will turn into a endless cleaning operation.
You don‘t need to clean Northern Syria you have to fuel ethnic clashes, Arabs will turn in their own lands to peasants of US backed Syrian PKK/Kurds. Use that.
 

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If Sincar/Duhok region is not under Turkish control it will turn into a endless cleaning operation.
You don‘t need to clean Northern Syria you have to fuel ethnic clashes, Arabs will turn in their own lands to peasants of US backed Syrian PKK/Kurds. Use that.
Exactly, but the Arabs would need arms to stand up to YPG. I believe the Arab league would somehow deal with that. If we can thoroughly control and clean up in Iraq. We'd weaken Irans routes of supply as well.

So we have to be prepared to thoroughly put an end to this terror corridor.
 

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Didnt isis and al qaeda have women fighters??

How come nobody is praising them for their "feminism" 🤔🤔🤔

Western libtards and leftards dont realise that terrorist groups, guerillas or insurgents or whatever it is use women the pkk using women is nothing new but the international mainstream media jacks off to it.
 
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