TR Air Defence Programs

[Lonewolf]

According to this. It’s range was 70km. It was extended to 100km. But doesn’t say how.
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The Barak 8 is a 275 kg missile with a 225 mm diameter (the booster is 540 mm wide), a fin span of 940 mm, and a length of 4.5 m. It is propelled by a two-stage smokeless pulsed rocket motor with a thrust-vectoring nozzle, allowing a flight speed of Mach 2, a range of 70 km, and an engagement ceiling of 16 km, and carries a 60 kg HE-FRAG warhead. Later the range was reportedly increased to 100 km.
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The only explanation I can give is that ;
Hisar-O actually travels at 4 Mach. So uses more fuel quicker. Too conservative specs. Still needs tweaking!
Barak 8 is manufactured so that it is lighter. Hence carries more fuel. It is a next generation missile. So should be more efficient. According to the sites it does have a booster section. Albeit not as large as the ER version.

Barak 8 Air Defense Missile System | Military-Today.com

The Barak 8 is a naval air defense missile system, jointly developed by India and Israel. Design of the Barak 8 is loosely based on the previous Barak 1 missile. Though it uses a more advanced seeker and has extended range.

www.military-today.com

This site too says it is 50-70km range

Barak 8 (missile)

Barak 8 (the Hebrew word for Lightning) is an Indo-Israeli surface-to-air missile (SAM), designed to defend against aircraft, anti-ship missiles, and UAVs. In January 2007, after several months of intense negotiations, India and Israel signed a US$330 million deal to co-develop an all new...

military.wikia.org

Extended range missile reaches 150km. Recently tested. Has a bigger booster section.
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Barak 8ER is a version with a maximum range of 150 km. Letters "ER" in the designation denote the "Extended Range". This missile comes with a larger booster and is 6 m long opposed to 4.5 m of a standard Barak 8. Some sources report that Azerbaijan operates this extended range system.
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The Barak 8 basic version with complete ip with Israel has a range of 70 km , then there is a JV Barak 8 for India , that was tweaked to take range Upto 100 km , these were according to drdo official , the same booster is used in our anti radiation missile and Akash Ng missile

 

[Combat-Master]

The barak 8 version with booster has a range of 150 km , i am talking of base variant which india and Israel uses as of now ,that too have 100 km now (increased from 70 km of past)

I very much doubt that Barak-8 can reach 100km without significant degradation to missiles engagement altitude. The umbrella is an umbrella after all.

 

[Hexciter]

I very much doubt that Barak-8 can reach 100km without significant degradation to missiles engagement altitude. The umbrella is an umbrella after all.

By decreasing speed. Barak is just Mach 2.

 

[Saithan]

I assume the speed of the missiles are a no compromise area. But what about the UCAV and UAV. They're not a on the same league as fighter jets, but still pose significant threat. Would it matter if missiles were developed to reach mach 2, but in return have longer range.

In this regard does it make sense to talk about boosters to smaller missiles like Cirit and Sungur ?

 

[Combat-Master]

By decreasing speed. Barak is just Mach 2.

It's not going to hit 16km in altitude and then fan out to 100km in range, if that were to be the case its range would be way over 100km and it wouldn't need an improvement like they have done so by adding a booster stage.

 

[Lonewolf]

It's not going to hit 16km in altitude and then fan out to 100km in range, if that were to be the case its range would be way over 100km and it wouldn't need an improvement like they have done so by adding a booster stage.

Barak 8 have booster for range upgradation to 150 km , yes it won't hit all kind of target at 100 km ,no missile can each one have it's own target envelope .

It's large range is due to its dual pulse ,which allow it to glide till it reaches endgame for good single shot kill probability .

It still can hit aircraft at 70 km or so

 

[Combat-Master]

Barak 8 have booster for range upgradation to 150 km , yes it won't hit all kind of target at 100 km ,no missile can each one have it's own target envelope .

It's large range is due to its dual pulse ,which allow it to glide till it reaches endgame for good single shot kill probability .

It still can hit aircraft at 70 km or so

Depends on how high and how far the aircraft is flying.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Speed of an AD missile is not a big issue in hitting it’s target. If the search radar has the range and the seeker head is good and doing it’s job properly, it should be able to target and hit even supersonic missiles. Barak8 can hit Brahmos missile. It is supposed to have stopped the famous Iskender Missile in Azerbaijan.
A slow moving cyclist coming from a side road, if can adjust correctly his speed and vectoral approach to a 200km/hr speeding Ferrari on a motorway, he can easily hit it.

 

[Lonewolf]

Speed of an AD missile is not a big issue in hitting it’s target. If the search radar has the range and the seeker head is good and doing it’s job properly, it should be able to target and hit even supersonic missiles. Barak8 can hit Brahmos missile. It is supposed to have stopped the famous Iskender Missile in Azerbaijan.
A slow moving cyclist coming from a side road, if can adjust correctly his speed and vectoral approach to a 200km/hr speeding Ferrari on a motorway, he can easily hit it.

Brahmos and barak 8 are not tested against one another yet .

But yeah it can intercept it in simulation most of times

 

[Yasar_TR]

Brahmos and barak 8 are not tested against one another yet .

But yeah it can intercept it in simulation most of times

I don’t know of actual test. But both Israeli and Indian sites have mentioned that it is possible to successfully target Brahmos with Barak8.
Apparently, Barak-8 had been developed so that it could shoot down Yakhont, which is the Russian variant of Brahmos. When Israel faced a threat from Syria, Barak8 was developed accordingly to respond.

 

[Huelague]

By decreasing speed. Barak is just Mach 2.

Whaaaat???? Just Mach 2!

 

[Lonewolf]

Whaaaat???? Just Mach 2!

Tbh ,speed doesn't matter much during cruise phase till it reach target .

Also it accelerate in end game to mach 4

 

[Combat-Master]

HİSAR O+

 

[Combat-Master]

Roketsan SUNGUR - VSHORAD

 

[TheInsider]

Roketsan did an amazing job with Sungur. It will sell like crazy.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Sungur missile has a dual thrust engine that uses the more quickly burning fuel to accelerate to top speed, then uses the slow burning fuel to sustain this speed to reach target.
As it was developed to replace stinger, it came further away from a Stinger base, and it is a very accomplished missile.

Edited: This makes more sense!

 

[TheInsider]

Sungur has nothing to do with Stinger. It is not further developed from Stinger. Stinger is not a base product for Sungur. Sungur and Stinger have nothing to do with each other. Neither propulsion, nor missile geometry and control, or guidance, or warhead is similar. The only similarity is they are both MANPADS. This was also discussed with Roketsan engineers at IDEF.

SUNGUR

STINGER

 

[Combat-Master]

Sungur missile has a dual thrust engine that uses the more quickly burning fuel to accelerate to top speed, then uses the slow burning fuel to sustain this speed to reach target.
As it was developed further from a Stinger base, it is a very accomplished missile.

What's the source for "developed further from a stinger base" ? The first time I'm hearing it, and I read a lot of defence magazines..

 

[Manomed]

Sungur missile has a dual thrust engine that uses the more quickly burning fuel to accelerate to top speed, then uses the slow burning fuel to sustain this speed to reach target.
As it was developed further from a Stinger base, it is a very accomplished missile.

Old stingers are not good anymore. But sungur looks more advanced than the stinger when It comes to specs

 

[Yasar_TR]

Sungur missile has a dual thrust engine that uses the more quickly burning fuel to accelerate to top speed, then uses the slow burning fuel to sustain this speed to reach target.
As it was developed further from a Stinger base, it is a very accomplished missile.

I guess I didn’t make it clear when writing in a hurry! Appologies! I will correct it.
It is not a newer version of stinger. It is very different. For one thing the engine is totally new. It is dual thrust. If memory serves, stinger rotates. Sungur doesn’t.
Sungur is replacing stinger missiles in our inventory. It has a better motor. Better seeker. More range. More accurate.
Starting base was stinger. And that needed to be replaced with something better. Hence came Sungur. A more accomplished missile for low altitude air defence.