Nah, mig-29 were dead meat 15 years ago. Mig-31's are where the study potential lies at.Let's buy a couple just to study even, especially mig 29
The published reports state that these “evaluated assets are no longer fit for use due to moral obsolescence, and it is not economically feasible to modernize them.” The documents make it clear that these “assets must be liquidated by means of disposal at the balance holder’s site.” Furthermore, it is stated that, “Given the technical condition and uniqueness of the evaluated assets, their use for other purposes, including as a source of spare parts, is not feasible.”If those planes are even worth anything then why is Kazakhstan getting rid of them? Can't they modernize them and use them for their Air Force if they are any good?
So, are they only good for metal recycling. Türkiye is big in recycling.Nah, mig-29 were dead meat 15 years ago. Mig-31's are where the study potential lies at.
Russians are sniping Ukrainian aircraft from 150-200 km with Mig-31's as we speak.
(although on 2nd look, any kind of reverse engineering looks impossible, because:
"according to the requirements of the tender, the sale of old aircraft is carried out on condition of its disposal on the territory of the military units of the Air Defense Forces of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan.")
Reminds me of the Hava Dolmusu HD-19 project that was being discussed in the 90s or early 00s
Regional passenger aircraft project from Turkish aviation company
UÇAKSAN has designed an aircraft that has a capacity of 19 people and can undertake roles such as fire fighting, cargo and military transportation.
The Turkish aviation company, which developed the training and general purpose aircraft TROY T400, this time designed a regional passenger aircraft.
UÇAKSAN implemented the Dragut Project to develop a wide-body regional passenger aircraft. The project aimed to create a wide-body aircraft with low maintenance costs, affordable fuel consumption.
In this context, an aircraft with a capacity of 19 people was designed for passenger transportation duty. In addition to this mission, the aircraft was planned to undertake roles such as firefighting, cargo and military transportation.
The regional passenger plane is expected to have a wingspan of 15.33 meters, a height of 4.58 meters and a wing area of 25 square meters.
The aircraft will have a maximum take-off weight of 7,700 kilograms and can carry 3,700 kilograms of cargo. The aircraft, which has a maximum speed of 480 kilometers per hour and a cruising speed of 420 kilometers, will be able to operate with a range of 2,200 kilometers.
Efforts that started with a 2-seater plane gradually grew
UÇAKSAN Senior Manager Emre Balcı, in his statement to AA correspondent, said that they have been operating in the field of general aviation since 2018.
Stating that they first started with the design and production of the 2-seater training aircraft project, Balcı stated that they turned this aircraft into a 4-seater in the following stages.
Explaining that they later developed unmanned cargo planes, Balcı stated that these vehicles made successful flights.
Stating that they started design work on a 19-seater passenger plane 2 years ago, Balcı said:
"Our aircraft was designed with a wider body than its counterparts. Our goal was to fill the gap in the regional aircraft sector with a domestic aircraft. In addition to passenger aircraft, our aircraft can be used as a cargo plane, fire plane, ambulance plane and military plane. Preliminary concept designs of the project have been completed. Detailed designs will be started. The first prototype has started. "We expect it to be released within 4 years from its date. It was planned to start in partnership with an aviation company 2 years ago. The project had to be frozen because the other company gave up. We plan to revive the project again if we provide the investment budget."
UÇAKSAN, 19 kişilik kapasiteye sahip, yangın söndürme, kargo ve askeri taşımacılık gibi rolleri de üstlenebilecek uçak tasarımına imza attı. - Anadolu Ajansıwww.aa.com.tr
Spot on broReminds me of the Hava Dolmusu HD-19 project that was being discussed in the 90s or early 00s
Absolutely. With the level Turkish aviation industry as a whole reached today, it only makes sense.I said in the past that I don’t think this kind of venture was smart for TAI and it would pull too many resources. For an up and coming company like Uçaksan tho, it makes perfect sense. Love it.
You can not compare UCAV like Akinci and Kizilelma with a strategic Bomber. They are foreseen for different Tasks. Bombers you need to strike Targets far away from Homeland.What would be the point for Turkiye to have bombers when they already use UAV’s for that matter ? Also developing and maintaining bombers would be too costly.
They are already starting to use Akinci for Air-to-Ground missions. Later when Kizilelma will be ready they will progressively start to phase out the F-16’s for that role.
There is also a stealth bomber currently in development by TAI called TISU.
Hearing TAI talk about this commercial passenger aircraft (that isn't a helicopter) worries me. I think competing in the commercial civil aviation sector against the Airbus-Boeing duopoly is a fool's game. Canadian, Russian, and Chinese (state) firms either almost or literally bankrupted themselves in their attempts.
It's like trying to build a new car brand that only builds ICE vehicles. Chinese brands were never able to build a decent ICE car, but they're on their way to become major players in the EV market. The only time TAI should even consider building a commercial civil passenger aircraft is when a massive paradigm shift occurs in the market, as was the case for the automotive sector.
For instance, the Comac C919 now costs just slightly less than the A320neo or B737 MAX, has less range, is less efficient, doesn't have the planned composite wing, and is filled to the brim with critical western components. China can afford such a project, we cannot. CR929, SSJ, and MC-21 are even more problematic. As for the existing legitimate smaller players: Bombardier divested from the commercial civil aviation sector, and Embraer is struggling to shift E2s (now competing with Airbus).
Besides ongoing projects, I would personally like to see TAI focus on:
- Navalization. Especially in developing a modern Seahawk alternative that massively undercuts Sikorsky.
- Larger military transport jets (JV preferably with Embraer, or at least Antonov)
- Following innovations in the sector like CFM's RISE or RR's UltraFan. Anticipate and prototype a next-generation commercial passenger aircraft, try to enter the market only then, and only if financially viable.
- Invest even more heavily in composite aerostructures, become (more) indispensable to the commercial and military aviation supply chain.
I would love to see Turkish Airlines fly a TAI airliner, but the financial and human resource health of TAI should be prioritized over national pride. Overextending ourselves is a recipe for failure.
Menendez’s departure as chair does not guarantee that the United States will now sell Turkey F-16s, but it does open space for a fresh look at the apparent deal on the table. Since negotiations on Sweden’s accession began, it’s been widely assumed—but not openly stated—that the sale of F-16s would be a decisive factor in Turkey’s calculus. For a year, diplomats on both sides took pains to deny the two issues were linked. However, Erdoğan abandoned all pretext on September 26, stating that “if they [the United States] keep their promises, our parliament will keep its own promise as well.” In a statement at the Vilnius summit, Turkey has committed to sending Sweden’s accession to parliament and working to ensure its ratification.
I think these two points are extremely crucial for our military aviation. A large military transport plane that we can configure for other purposes, like maritime patrol or AEW&C or even a bomber for our larger missiles, would be indispensable for us.Navalization. Especially in developing a modern Seahawk alternative that massively undercuts Sikorsky.
- Larger military transport jets (JV preferably with Embraer, or at least Antonov). Gain experience with larger jets.