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If we look at where we have come from the beginning of everything, you are right; it might not be a win . But at least there is something we finally get. And there are many other things on the list. Like about 1000 AIM-120-C8 AMRAAM missiles.Paying 23 billion dollars for 40 jets plus 79 more older ones to be upgraded and calling it a good deal and a WIN for Erdogan and Turkey... All while Greece is getting 40 F35s for 8,6 billion. You guys are crazy. I can use even harsher words but Mods will delete it.
We talk about a platform from the 70s that won't give Turkey any edge over the competition. Let's hope the Congress votes against it.
Ok, we don't get any other fighter jets ready, neither from Europe nor from the USA, we don't have access to the F-35 fighter jets, we don't get the really good fighter jets from Russia SU57 or China J20 and J31 either because we are a NATO member.Paying 23 billion dollars for 40 jets plus 79 more older ones to be upgraded and calling it a good deal and a WIN for Erdogan and Turkey... All while Greece is getting 40 F35s for 8,6 billion. You guys are crazy. I can use even harsher words but Mods will delete it.
We talk about a platform from the 70s that won't give Turkey any edge over the competition. This deal is a total BETRAYAL against Turkey from anyone who ever agrees to it. Let's hope the Congress votes against it.
Yup. This is in no way over. And whether ours is delayed or not, Greece is still getting their new F-35s on schedule.
1. How do you know they will not fast track GreeceFirst of all, the prices reported to the congress are estimated. The actual price will be determined after negotiations when the real contract is signed if there won't be any objection in congress.
Secondly, sale of up to 40 F35As without munitions to Greece has been authorised and according to Greek news sources, the amount to be purchased will be 20 units initially. Greek F35s will have to use existing stocks of missiles for a certain period of time.
The Turk F16 Package includes 1350 latest generation air to air missiles, nearly 200 anti-radiation and nearly 2400 air to ground munition of various models. At the same time, 169 IVEWS EW kits were ordered for 119 upgrade + new purchases. Likewise, there are 149 AN-APG83 AESA radars ordered for 119 total aircraft. These figures indicate a huge renewal and combat readiness.
It should not be forgotten that F35s will enter Greek inventory only in the 2030s. By this year, developments in domestic projects will be much more clearly observable and entry into the inventory will have begun.
That even raises more questions you know.....First of all, the prices reported to the congress are estimated. The actual price will be determined after negotiations when the real contract is signed if there won't be any objection in congress.
Secondly, sale of up to 40 F35As without munitions to Greece has been authorised and according to Greek news sources, the amount to be purchased will be 20 units initially. Greek F35s will have to use existing stocks of missiles for a certain period of time.
The Turk F16 Package includes 1350 latest generation air to air missiles, nearly 200 anti-radiation and nearly 2400 air to ground munition of various models. At the same time, 169 IVEWS EW kits were ordered for 119 upgrade + new purchases. Likewise, there are 149 AN-APG83 AESA radars ordered for 119 total aircraft. These figures indicate a huge renewal and combat readiness.
It should not be forgotten that F35s will enter Greek inventory only in the 2030s. By this year, developments in domestic projects will be much more clearly observable and entry into the inventory will have begun.
1. How do you know they will not fast track Greece
2. Will we start getting Viper kits delivered before 2030s?
That even raises more questions you know.....
1350 Air to Air missiles? Why on earth would Turkey order such a number when Gokdogan and Bozdogan are being developed? Wouldnt it be better to give this money to rocketsan?
2400 Air to Ground munitions? Again, why on earth would Turkey spend so mich money when the national Turkish equivalent is just as effective and around 40% cheaper.... not to mention that it will aid the national employment and turkish companies
Why is Turkey buying AESA radars when the national counterpart is already being tested
And above all of this, what about the Ozgur F16 modernisation program? Didnt they promote it as an even better yet cheaper national alternative than the Viper? Yet they opted for the Viper
Something is way off the mark in this deal as many of its items just dont make sense. It is either
1- Erdogan was forcibly made to sign the deal even though he knows it is bad probably by threatening to hinder KAAN or other crucial platforms from being developed
2- Erdogan got scammed way too hard and probably cost Turkey around 50 billion dollars; both in direct and indirect damages, just in this deal alone
3- Erdogan became so senile that he doesnt even know what his govt is doing behind his back and the US is using that to suck Turkey dry
ANY of these options is horrendous by itself. I honestly camt think of any other reason for why such a deal was made in the first place
1. Fast Track in whose place? Canada who ordered its F-35 2 years ago and will get its first plane in 2028-2029? Germany who ordered it last year and will get its first plane in 2029-2030? The only country who would ever get fast tracked planes is Israel.1. How do you know they will not fast track Greece
2. Will we start getting Viper kits delivered before 2030s?
what Turkey said doesn't really matter when it'll be the same congress that will be overlooking the sale and transfer. Correct me if I'm wrong, they passed an amendment to the budget last year forcing the State Dept to do exactly what Rodeo posted. This is not over until all aircraft are delivered to HvKK. This sale will be a huge weapon turned on our head until it's finished.Turkiye has already stated that it would not accept any conditions regarding Greece or any other regional matter and there is no such text in the declaration submitted to the Congress. It is also mentioned this in the last part of the text you shared. Apart from that, it is always possible that US, which didn't give paid F35s to Turkiye, will make such a move for F16s if you're making a deal with a state like US. So it is not a new situation.
what Turkey said doesn't really matter when it'll be the same congress that will be overlooking the sale and transfer. Correct me if I'm wrong, they passed an amendment to the budget last year forcing the State Dept to do exactly what Rodeo posted. This is not over until all aircraft are delivered to HvKK. This sale will be a huge weapon turned on our head until it's finished.